Modi scolds Trudeau over Sikh protests in Canada against India

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Except the guys who planned the terrorist attack immigrated in the 70s during Pierre Trudeau's reign. And these guys were already terrorists when they came in. So yeah I have my facts right pal. And yes Trudeau Sr., is responsible for not heeding India's warnings. Like father, like son I suppose.
Listen, admit that you got the facts wrong as you claimed that it happened under the Pierre Trudeau watch. Now you try to wriggle your way out of it by claiming that they immigrated to Canada under Trudeau's Government. Canada has the most rigorous immigration laws. Now if they came as dependents of their parents or met the criteria, and then decided to be brainwashed into plotting acts of terrorism, then how can you blame any Government for it? Jeez you need help!!
 

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No I have my facts right. The guys who planned and conducted the bombing, were already terrorists when they immigrated, in the 70s. When Pierre Trudeau was PM. You get your facts right.
Inderjit Singh Reyat immigrated with his parents to Canada in 1974 from the UK. He was NO TERRORIST then. He was brainwashed into being a terrorist and created those bombs. Unless you can prove that his parents were the terrorists!! You are hilarious!!
 

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Also watch this and tell me there is no problem.

I do not see any violence there. But they have their rights to express themselves. No doubt Punjab should always be a State within the Indian Republic. However, as long as they are not involved with any violence in India then who cares. On the other hand, watch this video:


Which videos are more of a concern?
 

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Oh please, he came in 1974 and was suddenly brainwashed? lol. Nice try. The diaspora Sikhs and their Khalistani movement is an everyday affair for these idiots.
He was just 22 in 1974 and came as a dependent of his parents. You think in 11 years that is not enough to be brainwashed into buying some political motives?
Obviously, you are not familiar with how some ordinary citizens then get persuaded into believing certain ideologies. But face it you got this fact wrong as well!!
 

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Sure pal. There is literally a guy strung up in a hospital in Canada in that video (@14:39 for example) and that is not violence to you? LOL. Safe to say you did not watch the video because it must create cognitive dissonance.

Violence in India is not terrorism. It is crime.

On the other hand the Khalistani movement is terrorism and engages in targeted killings of politicians, military professionals, police officers, priests and others in India as well as beating up people in Canada for speaking against them. Watch the video below: (Scroll to 1:51).


Now what does crime in India have ANYTHING to do with this debate or this entire thread? NOTHING. It has nothing to do with you and isn't your concern anyway Let us worry about the violence coming out of Canada. That is the focus here. And therefore the Khalistanis are the problem.
Targeted attacks on minorities based on religious or political beliefs are acts of terrorism:

What is the best definition of terrorism?
the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism.
Stop making excuses for crimes against what you allege to be........Christians? The burning of religious institutions by other religious groups as well as acts of violence on these minorities are considered to be acts of terrorism. Maybe not in Modi's vocabulary!! You are posting the same video of that individual, whereas you have refused to watch the whole video of what that UN Rapporteur disclosed as to the current state of affairs in India that implicates the Modi Government!!

Hopefully, the coroner in UK will get to the bottom of this:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2270167107663
 

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At 22 he was an adult. Case closed. And how do you know he was brainwashed? Were you the one who did it? That would be a very Pakistani tactic. 😂

Fact is they grow up in it and they were already terrorists with secessionist militant beliefs and experiences.
He immigrated to Canada with his parents. There was NO PROOF that he was a "terrorist" then. He could have eventually joined the Khalistan movement when he immigrated. to Canada.
If you have the proof then provide it to the police. 😅😂:ROFLMAO:

But implicating Pierre Trudeau for it is hilarious......ROTFLMAO, especially as you benefited from it, and that is why you are in Canada. Again your stupid logic linking me with Pakistan displays your 100% ignorance!!
 

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No. Religious riots in India are not terrorism. It is usually a retaliatory attack that gets out of control. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

But violence in India is not your concern. You are Canadian. Your only concern are the Khalistani terrorists operating with impunity out of Canada who attack and kill Indians, in cross border terrorist attacks, and beat up Canadians who dare speak against them, while openly celebrating terrorists who bombed the Air India Flight 182 as "martyrs". And Canadian politicians buddy around with these terrorists.

Let us keep the focus on this topic. Not on Modi, or churches being burned in tribal violence etc., It has fuck all to do with terrorism or with the topic of this thread. So on the topic of this thread, what do you have to say about Shamsher Singh? Or the video from Terry, that proves that this is a terrorist movement? I am going to keep asking you these 2 questions from now on and will not engage in any off topic conversation about Modi or religious violence in India as you have attempted to deflect for the last 10 pages or so. So answer it. What about Shamsher Singh in the video and the video from Terry?
You are just full of contradictions. You stated that Pierre Trudeau was PM when the Air Canada was downed by the Khalistan Terrorists. Now you try to deflect that they "immigrated" during Pierre Trudeau's reign. Moreover you claim that he was already a terrorist when he came to Canada. Zero proof in that respect, just more hypothetical logic from you!! If Shamsher Singh has been actually involved with acts of terrorism rather than just making those speeches, then he should he held to account. You also seem to have a hatred against all Sikhs. Lumping all of them with these Khalistani Terrorism. The fact is that India carried out the killing of Nijjar Singh. Modi will try to cover up just like he pretended that the genocide against the Muslims in Gujarat was not his responsibility. But you have no problem with pointing the finger at Pierre Trudeau for the terrorist attack of the Air India Jet, although he was not the PM at that time!! :rolleyes:

Yes Trudeau was. Pierre Trudeau. And now who is the PM? His son. Like father, like son I suppose. Yeah it was Canadian citizens. Thats my whole point. What is a more real terrorist attack than a plane being bombed? It was the deadliest plane terror attack second only to 9/11.

Religious riots in India is crime. Not terrorism. And it is few and far between.
Obviously you have not watched the whole video of that UN Rapporteur who contradicts your Modi propaganda that the crimes and acts of terrorism are "few and far between". They are on the rise and not only in Manipur!!
 
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I wasn't even born when Pierre Trudeau was PM, so nice try that I benefitted from it. 😂 In any case even if I had come in, then I wouldn't be engaging in terrorism.

And all these guys grow up in the Khalistani movement overseas. His father must have been in it, his uncles and so on. It is part of their community. So yeah he was already a terrorist whose entire family should not have been allowed in.

BTW instead of worrying about this guy, lets talk about the mastermind, Talwinder Singh Parmar. He was already a terrorist when he came in and he masterminded the entire thing. So let us focus on how Pierre Trudeau failed there. I am happy though he got what was coming to him, gunned down by police in India.
But the Immigration criteria did not change from Pierre Trudeau's time to whenever you came to Canada. See how you cannot comprehend the simple fact. Maybe you should thank him for you being admitted to Canada and yet you seem to love a despicable leader who has been involved with a killing on our soil!!
That outrageous statement about them being born overseas as terrorists shows for some reason your hatred against all Sikhs!! Many of those involved with the Khalistan Movement are born in Canada. Sikhs have been here for several decades. They obviously have a passion for their State of origin just like your passion for Modi!!

Once again if you are blaming Trudeau for Talwindar's act of terrorism then why are you not blaming Modi for all the acts of terrorism and killings of over a thousand people plus injuries and property destructions in Gujarat? On the other hand Pierre was not the PM when the Air India plane was downed. Why not blame Mulroney for it as he was the PM then?
 

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Pierre Trudeau was responsible for ignoring the Khalistani movement despite India's warnings. So Pierre is responsible for allowing these guys in and not designating the Khalistani movement a terrorist group.

Talwinder Singh Parmar became Babbar Khalsa's leader in Canada in 1979. After Parmar's return to Canada in 1984 following his incarceration in West Germany for a year,[2] he embarked on a nationwide tour to establish himself as the pro-leading Khalistani Sikh. On July 15, 1984, Talwinder Singh Parmar strongly urged Sikhs to "unite, fight and kill"[20] in order to punish the Indian government for Operation Blue Star.

As far as Reyat goes? There is no proof needed. These guys overseas grow up in the Khalistani movement. That is who they are. His entire family should not have been allowed in.



Irrelevant and off topic.

Here are videos on topic: What do you have to say about this?


I answered your question above. Just go and read what I stated. Stop asking the same BS over and over again!! Talwindar paid the price when he was shot by the Indian Police.
Again no proof that these guys were already Khalistani activists before emigrating to Canada. He emigrated to Canada in 1970. But the actual Council of Khalistan was formed in 1980. So how could he have grown up overseas in the Khalistani movement when he emigrated 10 years earlier?

When you consider the genocide of minorities in India as "irrelevant", then there is no point discussing those two videos!!
 

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Of course it happened because of Trudeau. All of those terrorists immigrated under him and he refused to designate the Khalistani movement as a terrorist movement. Yeah Canada has rigorous immigration laws NOW. God knows what they had back then and what the fuck those guys were doing letting people like Talwinder Singh Parmar in. And no they did not come here as innocent kids. They came here as adults who were already engaged in terrorism back home. Hence why Trudeau is responsible.
No, it happened because Ghandi stormed the Golden Temple. That is what started that round of violence.
Trudeau had nothing to do with that.
 

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We must oppose Indian Hindu nationalist forces in Canada
“Hinduphobia” is a reverse-racism-type narrative, manufactured to delegitimize the fight against casteism and oppression of minorities in and by India

By M. V. Ramana and Harsha Walia, Contributors
Thursday, October 5, 2023


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has revealed there is “credible evidence” of India’s involvement in the killing of Canadian Sikh leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar in Canada. This is part of a dangerous trend of Indian interference in Canada, particularly escalating under India’s current ruling party that is supported by Hindu supremacist groups (also known as Hindutva).

A recent report by the National Council of Canadian Muslims and World Sikh Organization details how the Hindutva movement has managed to make significant inroads in Canada. One of the aims of these Hindutva networks in Canada is to shut down justifiable criticism of Indian state policies and Hindutva forces. For example, Hindutva networks have targeted over a dozen academics in Canada with death threats for organizing conferences on Hindu nationalism. Dalit and caste oppressed advocates in Canada have similarly faced death threats and harassment.

As one step in this process, supporters of Hindutva are seeking to introduce and legislate “Hinduphobia” in Canada’s human rights laws. There are currently campaigns underway to recognize Hinduphobia in the Human Rights Code to recognize anti-Hindu prejudice and discrimination.

If successful, this will embolden Hindu nationalists by fending off criticism of India’s government and its virulent campaign of genocide against Muslims, violence against minority communities, the occupation of Kashmir, and caste violence.

The “Hinduphobia” campaign in the U.S. and Canada is spearheaded by organizations with connections to the Indian government and who come from dominant castes. Caste is a hierarchical and dehumanizing social system based on inherited status and maintained through marriage, labour practices and social norms. An extensive Equality Labs report in the U.S and an unprecedented ruling by the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal in Canada detail how caste discrimination operates in the diaspora.

Proponents of “Hinduphobia” claim to be victims of those who speak out against the right-wing ideology of Hindu nationalists and the violent caste system. Caste and Hindu supremacists falsely portray themselves as victims of “Hinduphobia” to distract attention from horrifying atrocities against Dalits, Indigenous Peoples (Adivasis), Muslims, Kashmiris, Sikhs, and Christians. This serves to vilify human rights advocates, while creating confusion amongst the broader public about being labelled as “Hinduphobic” if they speak out for human rights.

People of Indian origin in North America do face racist and xenophobic abuse that must be condemned. However, this discrimination is often based on racialization as immigrants, not based on religious beliefs. Where it is based on religious beliefs, South Asians who are Muslim or Sikh are most likely to face discrimination. More Muslims have been killed in targeted hate attacks in Canada than any other G-7 country in the past five years because of pervasive systemic Islamophobia.

“Hinduphobia” is a manufactured reverse-racism-type narrative, deployed to delegitimize the fight against casteism and the oppression of minorities in and by India. This dog-whistle campaign does not serve racial justice, it actually weakens it by maintaining Hindu nationalism and caste supremacy. Human rights protections and anti-discrimination laws are meant to eliminate systemic power relations. The narrative of “Hinduphobia” does the opposite; it grants even more power to those with power and maintains oppression.


Earlier this month, the South Asian Dalit and Adivasi Network wrote a detailed letter to all MPs across Canada urging them to reject any attempts to recognize “Hinduphobia.” They rightly explain that such a move “will have a disastrous impact on the safety of religious minorities, caste-oppressed communities and human rights defenders in Canada, India and beyond.”

It is evident that India’s far-right Hindu nationalist government might go as far as committing transnational assassination to suppress dissent. Leaders of all political parties have vowed to stand up to the Indian government in their investigation into the murder of Nijjar. If they are truly concerned about justice and accountability, our political leaders must also staunchly stand against the nefarious, chilling-effect of “Hinduphobia.”
Death of Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

If they are truly concerned about justice and accountability, our political leaders must also staunchly stand against the nefarious, chilling-effect of “Hinduphobia.”

M. V. Ramana is professor and Simons Chair in Disarmament, Global and Human Security at the School of Public Policy and Global Affairs, University of British Columbia.Harsha Walia is a Punjabi Sikh author and works in an organization to end gender-based violence in B.C.
 

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Has Trudeau's Allegation Reignited Khalistan Terror in the West? | Vantage with Palki Sharma


Has Trudeau's Allegation Reignited Khalistan Terror in the West? | Vantage with Palki Sharma

Justin Trudeau's allegations against India has given a new lease of life to the Khalistan movement abroad.

Khalistani extremists in the West are targeting Indian missions in the UK and the US.

Washington has cited freedom of speech when asked about Khalistan referendums held openly in their country.

London, meanwhile, made an arrest in one instance - only to release the accused on bail soon after.

Why is the West turning a blind eye to such activities?

Palki Sharma brings you the full story.
 
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I am not a Hindu Nationalist. I am an Indian Nationalist. All Indians are nationalists. India does not exist without nationalism.
tee-hee-hee .... giggles.....guffaw.....
 
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No I haven't. I have said I do not agree with Hindu Nationalism.
Of course you don't,

But, why do you feel the innate need to state that and be so defensive about it?

Very fine people .... on both sides?
 
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Someone called me Hindu Nationalist. I said I am not. That is not being defensive. That is just stating a position.
Well at least it's a little easier on the soul than being called a rabid Hindu Nationalist, huh?
 
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Let me be the one to teach you Indian history.

As I mentioned, in the other response, Nazism is a western ideal and their anti-semitism is not shared by Indians. It is not in the culture. So regardless of what the Nazis did to the Jews, that is not on Bose. That is your western issue.

Bose intended to fight the British to free India. Which is why he is a national hero.
Bose was a Hindu nationalist who believed that India was for Hindus and he fought with the Nazis both in Europe and the Subcontinent.

And yes, it is still moronically hypocritical of you to bitch about Canada accidentally honouring a Waffen SS private while you and India celebrate a Waffen SS commander.
 
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