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These people here Canadian citizens and they have the right to freedom of speech. Say Khalistan in India and the Hindu Nationalist will have you removed for good.
It's not unusual for a people to want their own country and vote on it. 2 referendums in Quebec. At least one in Scotland. Soon there will be one in Ireland.
 

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Yes he was a Separatist militant. That makes him a terrorist.

Yes he was a FOREIGN citizen. A foreign citizen who wants to break up India, is a non-state actor, and is engaged in war against the state of India. He therefore qualifies as an enemy combatant and as such can be killed by India in retaliation. Not saying India did it, but it would be justified for India to kill him.

Yes he was implicated in killings and other illegal activities and is a designated terrorist. India handed Canada a dossier on him. Canada ignored it. Given Canada has a history of not acting on credible intelligence, and then have it bite them in the ass, as in the case of Air India Flight 182, the Indian authorities are far more credible on this matter. Both because they know Khalistani terrorism and because they know the history.

Some details below: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/har...acks-in-india-dossier-details-history-4416503

A foreign citizen does not have any rights to organize a referendum in India (or in any other country for that matter). Only the Indian govt. can and anyone else trying to is infact illegal and constitutes war against the state. There is no question of allowing a referendum in general, or any sort of partition of India anyway. If people are not happy to live under the tri-colour, as Indians, they are free to pack their bags and fuck off to wherever it is they want. India does not allow foreign interference like that. Infact in such cases, I support putting one right between the eyes (regardless of whether India actually did this or not).

The Sikhs in India will themselves not agree to it, and will never support Khalistanis. They identify as Indians and they don't even consider Canadian Khalistanis as real Sikhs.

Here is an Indian Sikh for example:

"Yes he was a Separatist militant. That makes him a terrorist."

In Canada you can be a sovereignist,, a separatist, and yes even a milititant separatist and have a seat in the parliament. But you're not alone. It seems to evade Mr Modi too as well as RAW.
 
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There was no social media in 2002. Yet investigative journalists covered it extensively to the extent that Modi was a pariah for a decade. It was only after he was acquitted in 2012 by the Supreme Court did he get traction. So not true that the Indian media does not report. Check out left wing Indian media like Tehelka and others for proper news and investigative journalism.

Yes, they are Canadian citizens who have a right to say what they want. If they kept to saying things, no one would have a problem. Freedom of speech however does not give you the right to attack the Indian High Commission, bomb planes, conduct terror attacks in India etc.,
And here he is as PM of India. Shows you what that society really thinks and believes.

That's hearsay. There is a process. Follow it.
 
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He was acquitted, and he ran for elections and he became PM based on things he did for his state when he was CM. And since then he has done a lot of good for the country. Regardless, this isn't your problem or concern. It is India's wish who they elect to lead them.

And what is hearsay? The attacks on the Indian High Commissions, the bombing of planes etc actually happened and by any definition, it is terrorism.
I'm just pointing out that he is corrupt and empowers his fellow nationalist criminals. That's probably why they voted him in.

You don't know who's involved in what. You're just repeating what you hear.
 
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Who is they? The people of India voted him in. Infact in 2019 it was the largest voter turn out ever. People from the US and Canada flew back to vote for Modi because he has done a lot of good.

We all are repeating what we hear. None of us are in the intelligence services. That's how it works.
OK and? Just because they voted him in doesn't mean he isn't crooked. Plus his opponent was Rahul Gandhi. Don't make me laugh.

No, we know for a fact Modi green lights riots and assassinations.
 

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So he is India's elected leader. Yeah so what if opponent was Rahul Gandhi? Rahul is probably one of the most inept politicians ever. And in what way is he "crooked"? Once again you have started talking out of your ass about a topic you have no idea about. Whatever your opinions on Modi, that is however, irrelevant for this particular discussion.

And there is no evidence of India being involved, so there is no evidence of Modi green lighting anything. Including riots, as the Supreme Court has acquitted him.
Yeah Des, you better watch it, just watch what you say about Modi and India.

He'll be demanding reparations next, reparations.
 

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We ARE on a thread about India.
No, we are trapped in a thread going nowhere and with no discernible end in sight because you are going all coo-coo bananas about any slight, however trivial that you perceive doesn't elevate Modi into a God on earth and India as the masters of the universe.

Good God man, get yourself together.

You know you've gone off the rails when you are getting (y) (y) (y) from the likes of "orifice", "mitch" and the gang.

When good men lose it:


Before it's too late.
 
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If that is true (and I am not sure if it is), then Canada has a political culture of enabling terrorists and suffers from a lack of common sense. Which needs to change instead of adopting an uppity, "Canadian values and freedom of speech" nonsensical position.

Being a separatist militant, a foreign citizen, conducting attacks in India and planning targeted killings, makes him a terrorist per most countries. And per common sense.

Being a member of the Bloc does not make you a terrorist, don't be ridiculous.

The NDP confirms they've seen the intel and its credible.

Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh backed the prime minister up on Tuesday after he received an intelligence briefing from Trudeau's national security adviser, Jody Thomas.

"I can confirm what the prime minister has shared publicly — that there is clear intelligence that Canada has that lays out the following case, that a Canadian citizen was killed on Canadian soil and a foreign government was involved," Singh told reporters in Ottawa on Tuesday.

"That intelligence is something that I think is very credible."


The Washington Post says they have watched video of the killing


The Washington Post reported Monday that it had reviewed a 90-second video that shows at least six men and two getaway cars were involved in Nijjar's killing — suggesting a larger operation than previously reported.
 

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I agree we are going nowhere. But I have tried to educate people about misconceptions and assumptions about India that they have, because of a lack of understanding, or because they equate right wing movements here with right wing movements in India or because of what they read in western media, who are none the wiser. You can either take it as me having gone coo-coo bananas about Modi, or actually give it consideration and learn from it. That is your choice. But there is no reason, when we are already talking about India, to just accept ignorance as the truth or to regurgitate the Canadian governments position as the truth.
No, you are here trying to spread hatred about Sikhs and Pakistanis while trying to excuse what appears to be a political assassination of a Canadian by a team of foreign terrorists at the behest of a dirty politician you back.

You should stop claiming it wasn't India until the investigations are done.
Until then listen to the reports by the media and government here in Canada.
 

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So he is India's elected leader. Yeah so what if opponent was Rahul Gandhi? Rahul is probably one of the most inept politicians ever. And in what way is he "crooked"? Once again you have started talking out of your ass about a topic you have no idea about. Whatever your opinions on Modi, that is however, irrelevant for this particular discussion.

And there is no evidence of India being involved, so there is no evidence of Modi green lighting anything. Including riots, as the Supreme Court has acquitted him.
He's a nationalist and that's not opinion. It's very relevant to this discussion.

His own government has cleared him of any wrong doing? How convenient.
 

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No, we are trapped in a thread going nowhere and with no discernible end in sight because you are going all coo-coo bananas about any slight, however trivial that you perceive doesn't elevate Modi into a God on earth and India as the masters of the universe.

Good God man, get yourself together.

You know you've gone off the rails when you are getting (y) (y) (y) from the likes of "orifice", "mitch" and the gang.
If he hasn't already, he is likely to start calling you the "r" and/or "b" word(s).
 

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The Canadian government could not even vet a private citizen before they brought him into the parliament. They also gave asylum to people, who turned around and killed 329 people, 288 of them Canadians. So excuse me if I don't have faith in their judgement and instead trust a country that has actually faced this kind of terrorism, has the knowledge of the historical context and has successfully squashed the related militancy and is now trying to deal with it, coming from Canada. Canada made the accusation and the burden of proof is on them. Until then, it is just hot air.

Also, I am not spreading hatred against Sikhs. I called Sikhs brothers and family (like literally). But I hate militants and terrorists, which is what these Khalistani Sikhs are. Equating Sikhs to Khalistanis is akin to equating Muslims to terrorists. Its racist.
When Nationalism Degenerates Into Jingoistic Fascism: The Sordid Underbelly of BJP


Inside the vast digital campaign by Hindu nationalists to inflame India

By Gerry Shih
September 26, 2023 at 10:00 p.m. EDT
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MUDBIDRI, India — At first, the WhatsApp messages touted roads paved, schools built, free food distributed to the poor — all the usual pitches from a government during election season. But as May drew closer, the messages turned darker.
One viral post that landed in Sachin Patil’s iPhone listed the names of 24 local Hindu men it said were murdered by Muslims. Another mass message warned of Hindu girls being groomed by Muslim men to join the Islamic State. Yet another viral post that reached Patil made an urgent appeal to vote: “If the BJP is here, your children will be safe. Hindus will be safe.”




By the time election day arrived here in south India’s Karnataka state, Patil, a 25-year-old bank teller in a sleepy village outside Mangaluru, said he was receiving 120 political messages a day in six WhatsApp groups. “They were definitely a reminder,” Patil said, to cast a ballot for the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party that governs India.
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The rise of Modi and his Hindu-first state
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India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi swept into power nearly a decade ago. Since then, he has repeatedly rallied voters in this vast democracy and entrenched his party’s power by exploiting differences between the Hindu majority and Muslim minority.
Religious tensions have existed in India since independence in 1947, and Modi’s right-wing followers in his Bharatiya Janata Party and beyond turned to inflammatory rhetoric and violence against Muslims to secure support from Hindus.
The BJP and affiliated Hindu nationalist groups have been in the global vanguard of using technology to advance political aims, tightening their grip with an ideology that imperils India’s traditional secularism and equality among religious faiths. Disinformation and divisive, often bigoted online posts and videos are rampant.
Government censorship of critical views has been on the rise. Social media platforms and other Big Tech firms, protective of their position in one of the world’s largest markets, have often given Modi and his allies what they want.
Despite concerns over repression and accelerating autocracy, the Biden administration has been actively courting Modi, hoping that India can help contain Chinese expansionism in the Indo-Pacific region.
Canada’s explosive announcement on Sept. 18 that Indian government agents may have assassinated a Sikh separatist leader on Canadian soil underscores the uncomfortable choices the United States and other Western countries face in moving closer to Modi’s India.


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The BJP, led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and affiliated Hindu nationalist groups have been in the global vanguard of using social media for political aims — to advance their ideology and cement their grip over the world’s largest electoral democracy. They have perfected the spread of inflammatory, often false and bigoted material on an industrial scale, earning both envy and condemnation beyond India’s borders.
Central to the success of the BJP, a party with 180 million members, is a massive messaging machine built on top of U.S. social media platforms. It is part of a wider effort by the right-wing forces aligned with Modi to wield technology in various ways — and restrict its use by opponents — in pursuit of a Hindu nationalist agenda that seeks to marginalize religious minorities and suppress criticism.
As hate speech and disinformation in India have grown in recent years, Silicon Valley giants have at times tried to police this incendiary content. But often they have struggled — or willingly turned a blind eye.
Yashpal Suvarna, a BJP candidate for the Karnataka state assembly, was well known for an anti-Muslim incident, and his campaign played up that fierce image in Whatsapp posts. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
The Biden administration, meanwhile, has been aggressively courting India as a counterweight to China even as Modi has accelerated his country’s descent into autocracy. Just this month, the world’s attention was urgently focused on the conduct of the Modi government, after Canada alleged that Indian agents may have assassinated a prominent Sikh separatist on Canadian soil, again raising questions about the efforts of Western countries to draw closer to New Delhi.
This spring, Washington Post journalists spent several weeks in Karnataka as it was gearing up for elections and gained rare access to the vast messaging machinery and the activists who run it. In extensive interviews, BJP staffers and the party’s allies revealed how they conceive and craft posts aimed at exploiting the fears of India’s Hindu majority, and detailed how they had assembled a sprawling apparatus of 150,000 social media workers to propagate this content across a vast network of WhatsApp groups.
People gather for a Suvarna rally in May in the coastal town of Malpe. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
Using this infrastructure, the party was able to send messages touting the BJP’s accomplishments and denigrating its opponent, the Indian National Congress party, directly into the pockets of hundreds of millions of people.
But beyond the party’s official online efforts, there was also a shadowy parallel campaign, according to BJP staffers, campaign consultants and party supporters. In rare and extensive interviews, they disclosed that the party quietly collaborates with content creators who run what are known as “third-party” or “troll” pages, and who specialize in creating incendiary posts designed to go viral on WhatsApp and fire up the party’s base. Often, they painted a dire — and false — picture of an India where the nation’s 14 percent Muslim minority, abetted by the secular and liberal Congress party, abused and murdered members of the Hindu majority, and where justice and security could be secured only through a vote for the BJP.
A BJP election war room in May as the Karnataka election neared. Party volunteers blasted out social media messages, some anti-Muslim and incendiary. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
Today, India is WhatsApp’s largest market, with more than 500 million users. Social media researchers, government officials and WhatsApp itself have acknowledged the platform’s potential as a tool to fan polarization and stoke violence. But precisely what goes on within the BJP’s WhatsApp ecosystem has long been a mystery to political scientists and opposition parties, which have struggled to replicate the party’s digital success.
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Part 1: Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party and its Hindu nationalist allies have built a massive propaganda machine, with tens of thousands of activists spreading disinformation and religiously divisive posts via WhatsApp. Parent company Meta says WhatsApp cannot monitor content, no matter how inflammatory.
Part 2: Social media giants have been reluctant to police Indian content that violates their terms of service. After Facebook discovered a vast influence operation using fake accounts secretly operated by the Indian army, some company employees moved to shut it down, but executives in the New Delhi office stalled the action.
Part 3: A new generation of Hindu vigilantes frequently stream their armed attacks against Muslims on platforms like YouTube and Facebook, amassing large followings and winning BJP protection. While rights activists have repeatedly flagged hateful influencers to social media companies, the accounts are rarely removed.
The Indian government has become increasingly aggressive in restricting online criticism and dissent, frequently ordering social media companies to take down posts and blocking the internet altogether in areas with significant dissension. More stories to come.
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“Other parties in India have tried this. We’ve seen it in other countries like Brazil. But WhatsApp was really mastered first, and at scale, by the BJP,” said Rutgers University professor Kiran Garimella, who has studied WhatsApp’s role in Indian politics. “It requires resources, planning, investment, a top-down belief in building this infrastructure. But 99 percent of what’s happening in these groups is off-limits. We have no visibility at all.”
On the breezy, palm-lined coast of Karnataka, few trolls had more influence than “Astra,” which means “weapon” in Sanskrit. Most BJP party workers said they did not know Astra’s real identity, but many spoke glowingly about his fiery reputation.
A pro-BJP, anti-Congress party troll named Astra became feared and influential on WhatsApp. He turned out to be an unimposing 28-year-old named Sunil Poojary. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
Astra cranked out polarizing WhatsApp posts that would be shared over and over in coastal Karnataka — like those that eventually reached Patil, the bank teller. Astra was courted by local BJP candidates whenever they launched their campaigns, although he rarely spoke at rallies. Astra was such a militant voice on the internet that even BJP leaders feared being accused by him of being too moderate toward Muslims.
“Pages like Astra are much bigger than the official BJP accounts,” said Sudeep Shetty, who heads social media for the BJP in Udupi district. “They’re our secret weapon.”
On a sultry morning in April, with the election still a month away, Astra emerged from his office, an airless, converted college dormitory overlooking a dirt cricket field. He pressed his palms together in a traditional Hindu greeting and introduced himself.
In person, Astra wasn’t as fearsome as he was by reputation. He was a willowy, bespectacled 28-year-old, and his name, he said, was Sunil Poojary.
A BJP supporter, wearing a hat in the party color and bearing its lotus election symbol, attends the Suvarna rally in Malpe. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
A vast army
Wedged between the Arabian Sea and the Western Ghats mountain range, the twin cities of Mangaluru and Udupi boast top universities and historic temples. Along tidy village roads, Muslim women cloaked in body-length black niqabs walk past Hindu priests resting under sacred fig trees. Ethnically and culturally diverse but conservative, affluent yet a hotbed of religious friction, the coast has always stood apart from the rest of Karnataka state.
In the 1980s, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the paramilitary volunteer organization that serves as an umbrella for Hindu nationalist groups, swept in. The RSS built homes for poor tribes and fed the needy. It sent aspiring politicians into the BJP, its political wing. It established camps for youngsters and indoctrinated them in Hindutva, or Hindu nationalist ideology.
It funneled them into hard-line activist groups, most notably the Bajrang Dal, a group that accosted and beat up Muslims accused of smuggling cows, considered sacred in Hinduism. Gangs of Bajrang Dal members tracked down and forcibly separated interfaith couples, often accusing Muslim men of waging “love jihad,” and frequently clashed with Muslim activist groups.
Ajith Kumar Ullal, 59, the BJP's social media head in the port city of Mangaluru. “Each and every BJP volunteer who has a mobile is a social media warrior,” he said. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
While young men roiled the streets, political parties jockeyed at the ballot box. In the past seven years, the BJP and Congress — the two biggest parties — have battled on WhatsApp. (While Congress attracts some Muslim voters, its leadership happens to be predominantly Hindu.)
It was approaching noon one day this spring, and Ajith Kumar Ullal, the BJP’s social media head in Mangaluru, had been up for seven hours, barking orders over a droning air conditioner that struggled to match the south India heat.
Ullal, 59, worked out of a “war room” in the BJP’s gleaming downtown office, commanding a social media “cell” of nine volunteers responsible for an area in coastal Karnataka inhabited by 1.5 million people. The cell included his deputy, who serves as copywriter, and three graphic designers who combined text with photos and logos to craft rectangular picture posts, widely considered the most attention-grabbing and shareable format on WhatsApp.
Volunteer fieldworkers, who had combined phone numbers from voter registration rolls with information collected going door to door, added as many residents as possible to WhatsApp groups. All told, the BJP had 150,000 workers staffing WhatsApp just for the state election, according to Vinod Krishnamurthy, a former head of BJP social media for Karnataka.
Ullal, himself, belonged to 200 WhatsApp groups. Within an hour of seeding a new WhatsApp post, Ullal expected it to be spread to hundreds of thousands of residents in his coastal district. “Each and every BJP volunteer who has a mobile is a social media warrior,” he said.
A march at the May rally in Malpe for BJP candidate Suvarna. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
A revolution begins
This revolution in political communications started to stir in 2016, when the Reliance conglomerate entered the telecommunications sector and offered new customers unlimited free data, sparking a price war. Within three years, India’s mobile data went from among the most expensive to among the cheapest in the world.
Late that decade, BJP officials began assembling huge databases of phone numbers and seeking ways to streamline the messaging process, three former campaign officials recalled. During an election in Gujarat state, the party used software written in Python code that could hijack WhatsApp’s web interface to spread attack ads to tens of thousands of recipients with just a few clicks, according to an internal presentation seen by The Post.
WhatsApp’s engineers in 2018 introduced new limits on message-forwarding in India after witnessing the rise of fast-spreading rumors, which had led to mob killings and other tragic consequences. They also made technical changes to curb mass messaging.
Young men on their phones at a mall in Mangaluru. India is WhatsApp’s largest market, with more than 500 million users. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
So the BJP turned to its biggest strength: organizational discipline. “Everyone who wants to know how the BJP operates looks for hi-fi, extraordinary tech, and some of that exists,” said a former BJP campaign manager. “But the reality is, it’s mostly brute, manual labor.”
According to a field study conducted in 2020, Indian users told Meta researchers they “saw a large amount of content that encouraged conflict, hatred and violence” that was “mostly targeted toward Muslims on Whatsapp groups.” “Anti-Muslim rhetoric ... is likely to feature in upcoming elections,” warned the internal study, which was shared with The Post by whistleblower Frances Haugen. One former Meta employee who examined Indian elections said that the problem has been recognized internally for years but that executives have not found a solution to monitor or moderate a platform that is by design private.
In response to questions about what measures parent company Meta has taken to address divisive political material on WhatsApp, Meta spokeswoman Bipasha Chakrabarti said WhatsApp has limited message-forwarding and used spam-detection technology to prevent automated mass messaging.
When asked whether the company was aware of the online campaigns in Karnataka, Chakrabarti said: “WhatsApp provides end-to-end encryption by default to protect people’s conversations, and that means that nobody — including WhatsApp — can read or listen to your message.” She declined further comment.



At the start of the campaign season, Ullal added The Post to one of his WhatsApp groups, and in the ensuing weeks, his team mostly disseminated traditional campaign messages about public services and government achievements. But as election day neared, the tenor of the campaign changed dramatically, and the WhatsApp group became strewn with incendiary posts and appeals to religious bigotry. Ullal compared it to cricket strategy. “In the last few overs,” he said, “that’s when you do the big hitting.”
One post likened Congress politicians to Tipu Sultan, an 18th-century Muslim king who is often vilified for allegedly butchering Hindus. Another post defended as a “victim of conspiracy” a Hindu vigilante who was arrested in March for allegedly beating a Muslim man to death.
Typically, BJP staffers didn’t create the inflammatory content, said Akshay Alva, Ullal’s deputy. But they spread it, anyway. “There are things we may not say, but the troll pages say it,” Alva said.
Poojary, a.k.a. Astra, runs an anonymous troll page feeding highly polarizing and incendiary content into WhatsApp groups. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
A string of viral hits
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“I don’t want beautiful videos. I want only content!” he shouted toward the next room, where Ashwini, his video editor, was struggling to keep up with the pace.
On this day in April, the BJP’s nominees for state assembly were registering their candidacies, officially kick-starting the election season, and Poojary, who led a team of four, was overwhelmed. New computers and streaming equipment for YouTube were still sitting unboxed in his windowless office. Using his three Android phones, Poojary needed to churn out a steady stream of image posts, stamp them with the Astra logo and blast them out to 30 WhatsApp groups.
In the past few days, Astra had scored a string of viral hits. Poojary had compared the election to a struggle between nationalists (the BJP) and terrorists (the Congress party). He disseminated a photo of a Muslim man groping a statue of a goddess worshiped by a community that’s considered a swing vote in the state. He also edited down a speech of a local Congress candidate, he admitted, to make it falsely seem that he was praising Muslim kings.
Poojary didn’t make money from the Astra posts, he said. But his social media exploits and his reach helped garner him an unusual level of influence for a 10th-grade dropout who had never held a regular job: The chief minister of Karnataka shared Astra posts on Facebook, and Poojary said he would get calls from other top government and party officials.
Santosh Kenchamba runs the highly influential Rashtra Dharma troll page, helping to wage what he calls a perpetual “civilizational battle” to remake India into a Hindu state. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
A writer, not a fighter
Poojary, who hails from an ethnic group that traditionally tapped coconut trees for sap, never expected this kind of success. When he was 7, Poojary recalled, the RSS arrived at his family’s remote two-acre farm carved out of the jungle. They asked to recruit him. His father said yes.
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In the local RSS branch, young Sunil learned Hindu chants and nationalist songs. He performed military drills and practiced yoga. His formal schooling was derailed in the 10th grade when his father died, leaving him adrift, he said. But he had already found a family in the RSS and purpose in hard-line Hindutva.
Elders in Poojary’s RSS chapter diverted him into the Bajrang Dal, but he quickly knew he did not fit in with muscle-bound bruisers. When his Bajrang Dal gang would start drinking by the highway to steel themselves for ambushing cow transporters, Poojary would not drink or join in the beatings. When they roamed around looking to break up cases of “love jihad,” Poojary would urge what he considered restraint: “I would tell others, ‘Don’t hit the women.’”



Instead, he turned to writing, penning lengthy essays about Hindu mythology and Indian history, and self-publishing three books.
But nothing gave him the attention he desired until he found WhatsApp. In 2020, Poojary launched Astra and three other troll pages and learned to craft headlines, insert images using the free Android app Blend Collage and tweak colors for maximum virality. He reveled in the fact that people assumed the man behind Astra was a “gangster.”
“If people see me, they’ll see I’m slim and diminutive,” he said. “But I have a gift from God: Goddess Saraswati holds my hand and tongue.”
Suvarna at the Malpe rally. His campaign used Whatsapp posts to brag of his ties to the hard-line Hindu nationalist group Bajrang Dal. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
Braying for revenge
In April, the BJP’s state leadership sent shock waves along the coast by tapping a local businessman named Yashpal Suvarna as a candidate for the state assembly. In 2005, as a local leader of the Bajrang Dal group, Suvarna had become known after stopping two Muslims transporting cows in a truck, stripping them naked and parading them before reporters while police looked on.
Given Suvarna’s past as a thug, his campaign team was hoping to use WhatsApp to soften his image and showcase his “humility.” But Suvarna’s personal assistant Yatish felt unsure, so he called up the best social media whiz he knew: Astra.
Poojary told the campaign that the strategy would not work. Up to a third of voters were young men, who liked an aggressive candidate, he reasoned. Furthermore, the Congress party was hinting that if elected, it would ban the Bajrang Dal. Suvarna’s team pivoted. It began sharing to about 1,000 WhatsApp groups strident posts bearing Suvarna’s face next to a menacing Lord Bajrangbali, the deity after which the Bajrang Dal is named, and boasting of his ties to the group.
Mohammed Fazil, 23, was hacked to death in July 2022 north of Mangaluru after calls by right-wing influencers for a revenge killing. Police said Fazil was randomly targeted as a Muslim. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
Poojary also jumped into action. To boost the BJP campaign, he exploited a number of communal killings that had rattled Karnataka the previous summer.
In July 2022, a Muslim teenager was killed in an altercation with members of the Bajrang Dal. That led to the revenge killing of a BJP volunteer by local members of an Islamist militant group, according to Indian law enforcement. Poojary and several other right-wing influencers then spread material agitating for the volunteer’s death to be avenged.
Days later, around sundown on July 28, Mohammed Fazil, 23, was hacked to death by four masked men as he walked near a busy highway crossing north of Mangaluru. Police said Fazil was randomly targeted as a Muslim. At a Bajrang Dal rally, a Hindu nationalist leader openly boasted that Fazil was killed out of revenge. The role of the heated WhatsApp discourse in the violence remains unclear.
Supporters of Suvarna gather in Malpe in May during his run for the Karnataka assembly. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
A perpetual ‘civilizational battle’
Looking back months later, Poojary said he believed that the anger circulating on WhatsApp had contributed to the bloodshed and that violence could be justified in the service of Hinduism.
Santosh Kenchamba, who runs the highly influential Rashtra Dharma troll page, said he also called for the revenge killing. He explained that it was part of a perpetual “civilizational battle” by online activists to help remake India into a Hindu state where Muslims knew their place.
As the election heated up in April, Poojary doubled down on spurious claims on WhatsApp that Muslims, abetted by the Congress party, had killed dozens of other Hindu activists.



One of the voters who received these pre-election messages was Patil, the bank teller. Lounging with friends outside a barbershop not far from where Fazil was killed, Patil, a middle-class young Hindu man with a taste for flower-print shirts and new iPhones, said he had known Fazil from school.
Patil said that while growing up, he did not think Fazil, or most Muslims, posed much of a threat. But over the past five years, Patil had become increasingly troubled by what he was seeing on WhatsApp about the danger Muslims allegedly posed, he said. He had heard anonymous voice recordings on WhatsApp that purported to be of Muslim extremists plotting to kill Hindus. As the May election approached, he received warnings about more violence if Congress won.
Patil did not question any of this disinformation. Instead, he and his friends, who said they consumed news only from WhatsApp, arrived at an inevitable conclusion.
“Hindus are in danger,” Patil said.
Suvarna, center left, speaks to supporters in Malpe. Despite an overall win by the Congress party in Karnataka, Suvarna would claim a seat in the assembly. (Samyukta Lakshmi for The Washington Post)
An unending struggle
With the campaign reaching fever pitch at the start of May, Modi landed on the coast to lead a teeming rally. Poojary stood in the heat, mostly bored as his hero spoke about the economy. But after an hour, Modi’s voice began to rise. His arms reached for the sky. Finally, he unleashed his fury over the Congress party’s proposal to ban the Bajrang Dal.
“When you press the button in the polling booth,” Modi thundered, “punish them by saying, ‘Hail, Lord Bajrangbali!’”
The crowd, including Poojary, erupted in rapture.
But even with the prime minister’s last-minute intervention, the statewide election proved to be a disappointment for the BJP. Television analysts said the party had been weakened, in part, by infighting among its leaders, and the Congress party gained enough seats to take control of the state legislature in Karnataka.
On a quiet street north of Mangaluru, Patil — who ultimately had voted for the BJP — worried about Hindus’ safety. With Congress now running the state, he said, “Muslims will be emboldened.”



But the shrill warnings that left Patil so alarmed had actually helped carry the day for the BJP along the coast. In this part of the state, where operatives such as Poojary and Ullal had filled voters’ screens with their divisive content, the BJP swept all but two of the 13 contested legislative seats. Down by the sea, roads were blanketed every 100 yards by banners congratulating one of the region’s rising stars, “Yashpal Suvarna, Member of the Legislative Assembly.”
Up in the red clay hills, Poojary seemed relieved. Five local BJP candidates he had supported on social media all won. But he was also worried, he admitted, that with Congress now controlling the state police, he might be charged with libel or spreading fake information.
Still, Poojary could not help continuing to stir the pot. The election had barely ended, and he was already spreading posts that compared the new Congress state government to Tipu Sultan, the Muslim oppressor. He warned, using an image of splattered blood, that a Hindu holy man had already been murdered near Bangalore.
In his windowless office, Poojary was still giving directions to his video editor and graphic designer every few minutes. His phone was still lighting up constantly with WhatsApp notifications.
“The Muslims have won,” he said, “for now.”
He excused himself, pressed his palms together in front of his heart, and went back to work.
Mohit Rao and Shams Irfan contributed to this report.
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niniveh

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All Indians are nationalists. A minority of them are jingoistic/fascist. Much like any other country. And most Indians call those elements jingoistic as well. Nothing new here.
You don't get it, do you. It is not about all Indians being nationalist. Nor about a small minority etc. It is about the Prime Minister and the govening party.
 

Frankfooter

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I don't know much about the Bloc, so I won't comment. But is it not true that the government of Canada sent troops and tanks to deal with FLQ? FLQ are militants and they were dealt with as such. Similarly if someone keeps to just talking regarding Khalistan, then that would be fine. But forming militant factions like Nijjar did, is terrorism.

And if NDP has seen the evidence, time to release it. Repeating what Trudeau already said is not evidence.

And am sure it was a hit job. But there is that small matter of the identity - not race, or ethnicity - but actual identity of the gunmen and who they belong to. Again, nothing conclusive or new here.
FLQ was 50 years ago, nobody associates it with the Bloc.
Air India was almost 40 years ago and you think the Sikhs here are the same people.

Nobody will release Five Eyes evidence until there is enough evidence and reason to bring it to trial.
The government has raised it with India and we'll see how Modi responds and whether they need to take it trial or some diplomatic solution happens.

Your views are your own views and not representative of anything but Hind nationalists.
 

Frankfooter

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I was referring to the FLQ, not the Bloc. I am not sure why you brought the Bloc into the convo. Air India is not the only terror attack the Khalistanis have done. They continue to engage in targeted killings in India and attacks on people here, gang violence etc.,

And until and unless there is evidence out in the open, that conclusively proves that India did it, it is just hot air. This is why Trudeau has painted himself into a corner. There is nothing of consequence that will happen to India and only a diplomatic solution is likely, but that would make Trudeau look weak.

And you can keep calling it Hindu Nationalist views, but you don't know what that means, because you don't understand Hindu Nationalism (not that you are expected to and not that I support it). I am just calling it as it is.
The Bloc evolved from the same separatist movement as the FLQ 50 years ago. You seem to think that these Khalistanis are the same as the terrorists from nearly 40 years ago.
Yet you refuse to tie these Hindu Nationalists to the same ones from 40 years ago that instigated that violence.

There is no evidence that the government's allegations are wrong and no evidence to back up your claim that Modi wasn't involved.
The only evidence out is the accusation from Canada and the US that India was involved.

You still believe Modi over the US and Canada.
 

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Modi ran on a promise of "minimum government, maximum governance" attacking the former UPA government for being too big with 76 cabinet ministers. When he came to power he had 43 cabinet ministers (I think). Now he has 77 (I think), bigger than the UPA government, effectively going back on his minimum government promise. The skit is mocking that, a shoulder devil convinced him to do so. Essentially that is the gist.
Which one was devil modi? The one with the horns or without?
 
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