Modi scolds Trudeau over Sikh protests in Canada against India

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The Canadian government has failed in the past and that resulted in a disaster with the Air India Bombing. Plus if you watch Terry's documentary, you'd see how much they are clueless and are instead playing dirty politics. OTOH India understands the issue very well, so yes, I trust the Indian governments judgement and knowledge on this.
Now you're blaming the Canadian government for Air India?
Really, now.
 

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Yeah Economic Times is not reliable. But "datatrained"? Sure, may be that is what you guys like in Pakistan. 😂
All of us on this Board who condemns Modi's actions are supposed to be from "Pakistan" according to "kautilya logic"...............Hilarious but not surprising coming from a BJP activist!! :D 😅😂:ROFLMAO:
 
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They are having a meltdown. They've pretty much called everyone in government and sikh leaders terrorists in Canada.

Meanwhile Hindu Nationalist riot and rape, they turn a blind eye.
Careful as kautilya will now label you as being from "Pakistan". This was what I stated in the past and that his when he labelled me as such!! 😂:ROFLMAO:
 
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Air India would not have happened if not for the attack on the Golden Temple.

If not for the Sikhs, India would just be another Islamic country like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, etc.
 

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Yeah they provided asylum to people they shouldn't have, no?
No, lets leave the blame to Ghandi for instigating the violence that spilled over here as well.
As far as we know, Air India wouldn't have happened except in response to Hindu nationalist violence.
 
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You are justifying the terror attack on CANADIAN citizens. Really now?

Yes, the anti-Sikh riots shouldn't have happened and India should have done more to bring those criminals who did it to justice. But 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Listing a cause to an event isn't 'justifying' it.
It was still terrorism as much as the assassination of Ghandi and the mobs of Hindu nationalists that followed and the Air India bombing.

India cannot afford to have militants take up residence anywhere, much less a place of worship, directing attacks on Indian citizens in a bid to break up the country. So law enforcement and military action was the right move. BUT, yes Operation Blue Star could have may be have gone much better, but am no army person to tell you what the right military tactic or strategy is.

And for violence to not spill over here, Canada should not have provided asylum and citizenship to separatist militants and made them citizens, because it wasn't Canada's problem. They made it their problem because the government and the intelligence agencies thought they knew better than India did. That sure came to bite Canada back in the ass, didn't it?.
No, its not the right move for India to assassinate Canadians.
Modi gave CSIS the allegations and CSIS decided they weren't serious enough to act on.
Which means Modi killed someone who likely wasn't a threat to India, just a leader in a fringe separatist group in a foreign country.

Don't defend assassinating Canadians.
 

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Canada, rightly or wrongly, has always been a refuge for people fleeing persecution. The Irish, the Ukes, the Jews, the Sikhs, blacks, Afghans, Syrians, etc.
 
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Modi’s Party Linked With Most Hate Speech in India, Report Finds
  • Hindutva Watch said many rallies included anti-Muslim speech
  • Most incidents occurred in states controlled by the BJP
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ruling party and affiliated groups were behind most hate speech events against Muslims during the first half of the year, according to a report released on Monday.

Some 80% of the 255 documented incidents of “hate speech gatherings targeting Muslims” occurred in Bharatiya Janata Party-ruled states and union territories, according to a report from Hindutva Watch. The Washington DC-based research group tracks hate crimes and inflammatory speech against Muslims and other minorities in India.

Researchers wrote that India has seen an “escalating trend” of anti-Muslim speech since Modi rose to power in 2014. The report found that more than half of the documented incidents this year were orchestrated by the ruling BJP and affiliates including the Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parishad and Sakal Hindu Samaj. Those groups have ties to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or RSS, the ideological parent of the BJP.

Abhay Verma, a senior member of the BJP in New Delhi, called the report “totally baseless” in an interview. “We don’t divide the country and people based on their religions,” he said by phone. “There’s no support from the BJP in favor of hate speech.”

The report is the first of its kind to document hate speech against Muslims after India’s crime bureau stopped collecting data on hate crimes in 2017. Hindutva Watch relied on social media and news outlets in gathering data. It used data scrapping techniques to locate verifiable videos of hate speech events, and then conducted an in-depth investigation of incidents through journalists and researchers, according to an explanation of the methodology.

Though India doesn’t have an official definition for hate speech, the research group used language from the United Nations, which characterizes hate speech as “any form” of communication that employs “prejudiced or discriminatory language towards an individual group based on attributes such as religion, ethnicity, nationality and race.”

The report found that Maharashtra, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Gujarat witnessed the highest number of gatherings with hate speech. A third of documented incidents occurred in states scheduled to hold legislative elections this year.

Hindutva Watch, which monitored activities in 15 states and two union territories, also reported that about 64% of the events propagated anti-Muslim “conspiracy theories,” including the claim that Muslims are luring Hindu women into marriage to convert them.

Inflicting violence against Muslims was a rallying call in 33% of the events, the report said, and 11% included appeals for Hindus to boycott Muslims. The remaining gatherings featured “hate-filled and sexist speech” targeting Muslim women, according to the report.

“Rather than combating hate speech, government officials have frequently engaged in it themselves,” the report said. “As this report documents, some of the purveyors of hate speech include chief ministers, legislators, and senior leaders from the ruling BJP.”

 

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Some more of this Hate Speech:

The report revealed that over half of the documented incidents this year were linked to the ruling BJP and its affiliates, including the Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parishad, and Sakal Hindu Samaj.

Meanwhile, the report indicated that these groups have connections to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the far-right ideological inspiration behind the BJP, which drew inspiration from Nazi Germany.

The report also highlighted that Maharashtra, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Gujarat experienced the highest number of hate speech incidents. Significantly, one-third of the documented cases occurred in states slated for legislative elections this year.

Hindutva Watch, which monitored activities in 15 states and two union territories, also noted that approximately 64 per cent of the events promoted anti-Muslim “conspiracy theories.”
 

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India has documented evidence of why Nijjar is a terrorist. I posted an article a while earlier about some contents from the dossier.
So they say. You don't accept Canada and the 5 eyes saying they have evidence of Indian government involvement in the assassination but you want us to believe India's accusation?
 

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And yes, the Khalistani movement by definition, is a militant and separatist movement. ...
Sorry but supporting a separatist movement does not make one a terrorist. The fact that other supporters of that independence movement are terrorists doesn't mean you can treat everyone like a terrorist. At least according to Canada, a terrorist is someone involved in attacks targeting civilians and if India provided evidence that any Canadian citizen was doing that, Canada would act.
 

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Oh of course if "humnews.pk" a Pakistani site says so.

You should be asking why Pakistanis are slaughtering the minority, Hindu, Christian and Sikh citizens. Not to mention, even minority Shia Muslim, Ahmadi and Hazara muslims are slaughtered by the majority Sunnis.

Pakistanis love to deflect and talk trash about India while hoarding all of the world's best terrorists!
Did you see me defending Pakistan in any manner? Show me where I did so??

Of course you also failed to mention about women's rights or lack of it in parts of Pakistan.

Still do not know what are how your logic links me to Pakistan in any manner. On the other hand your passionate defence of Modi is more in line with with the BJP.

You do not seem to be concerned about the fate of the Christians although we know that around 250 churches have burnt in a single state of Manipur in just 36 hours:


It is just not Manipur but other states as well, when 142 religious minorities have been killed, and 65,000 people have been uprooted from their homes. This is due to the Government encouraging these Hindu Religious Extremists as several reliable sources have revealed this fact:

 

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IDK but we are Christians, and we don't seem to be attacked by Hindu Nationalists. Not saying it does not happen, but I think those who live in glass houses.....

Meanwhile:

We can agree to denounce The despicable Pakistani Mobs who have attacked the Christian settlements. I am in no way defending these acts of violence against minority communities, so I still have to see your logic linking me to Pakistan in any manner. When I showed you all the proof of the Christian Churches being burnt down, Christians homes being also destroyed, yet you are the one defending these BJP linked individuals carrying out these acts of violence.

Now The NYT even revealed that Nijjar had fled India as he was a Separatist for the State of Khalistan. You claimed that he was linked to killings in India. Yet there was no proof of it, and this was exactly what The Indian Government alleged about him:

it had evidence that he was “involved in exhorting seditionary and insurrectionary imputations and also attempting to create disharmony among different communities in India.” The government said he led a terrorist organization banned in India, Khalistan Tiger Force.
who-is-hardeep-singh-nijjar-india.html

Yet, apparently all he was doing was to organize a referendum in his State of Punjab where 60% of the inhabitants are Sikh. If the Indian Government went ahead with such a referendum like we did in Quebec then once again they could have put this whole issue to rest, if the majority did not want any partition whatsoever!!
 

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Well, good we agree that the anti-Sikh riots, the assassination of Indira Gandhi and the Air India bombing are all terrorism.

The only terrorism that is of any concern to Canada in all that, are the Khalistani terrorists operating out of Canada.
Except that we've now had a foreign party committing terrorism inside Canada.
Which needs to be dealt with unless your concern with terrorism is lip service.



Agreed. There is no proof whatsoever that conclusively proves that India assassinated a Canadian on Canadian soil. The Canadian governments official position is that they are investigating and they don't yet have proof.
Or that they are unable to release the proof they have because of Five Eyes agreements and diplomatic reasons.

Two parts to this:

a) CSIS judgements cannot be trusted, because they have been repeatedly wrong about the Khalistanis.
b) Given the Khalistanis engage in gang related and other criminal activities, and given there is no conclusive proof that India did it, the logical explanation is that he was likely killed by another Canadian gang member. Similar to the Sukhdool killing a few days earlier. Its par for the course for these guys.
a) 30 years ago it was a surprise when Ghandi instigated violence that lead to terrorism by both sides. Who was expecting this to happen? Clearly not India, who failed way more than Canada.
b) That is not a given, that is your own racial bias.
 

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Yes he was a FOREIGN citizen. A foreign citizen who wants to break up India, is a non-state actor, and is engaged in war against the state of India. He therefore qualifies as an enemy combatant and as such can be killed by India in retaliation. Not saying India did it, but it would be justified for India to kill him.
If anyone said anything like this about Quebec separatists in Canada CSIS would be watching them very carefully.
 

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You wouldn't know about Hindu Nationalist atrocities if the Indian media actually turned a blind eye. Infact, it is their reporting and investigation that revealed the gory details of the Gujarat riots for example and many more. But yeah, they are overtly dramatic in their news because it is entertainment.

And yes, the "Sikh leaders" and other "Khalistani activists" are extremists. Go say something against the Khalistani movement and see for yourself. You will at best be strung up on a hospital bed or worse 6 feet under the ground.
They only report it after it gets leaked to the broader public via protests or social media. It usually takes months for Government and the police to actually investigate crimes on minorities.

These people here Canadian citizens and they have the right to freedom of speech. Say Khalistan in India and the Hindu Nationalist will have you removed for good.
 
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