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"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll

Frankfooter

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I say that YOU are anti-Semitic and that is based on your posts and Canada's definition of anti-Semitism.


Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

  • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
  • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
  • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
  • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
But keep working, there's still two characteristics you haven't hit yet.
The IHRA definition isn't accepted in that many places, it attempts to call criticism of Israeli apartheid antisemitic.
Its also racist in its own ways.

You constantly push this narrative when you say criticism of Israeli apartheid is antisemitic.
You break:
  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Every time you say its antisemitic to criticism Israeli policy you are accusing all Jews of being responsible for Israel. That's a trope.

  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Your racism becomes very clear when you claim this right for Jews but refuse it for Palestinians living in what should be Palestine. That is antisemitic.

  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
All countries should be boycotted for apartheid. You want Israel excused for apartheid. That's antisemitic.

The IHRA definition is an attempt to stop debate about Israeli policy.
 
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Frankfooter

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And for the 'right' of Palestinians to attack any Jew that is in occupied territory (which according to your posts means all of Israel).
You give Ukrainians the right to self defence, the right to attack Russians who are occupying Ukraine.
You refuse to admit Palestinians that same right to self defence against an illegal, foreign occupation.

That's antisemitic.
 
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shack

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Get basketcase, toguy or shack to draw you a map they think both sides can agree to.
I can't read their minds. Asking us what other countries will agree to is total speculation.

Why don't you show us a map of the land you think the state of Israel is entitled to.

Guaranteed that you won't give a direct answer even though there is zero speculation as to what your own personal opinion is.

This will be the first time you won't give us your opinion because you don't think that Israel should exist at all but are too afraid to actually say so.
 
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Frankfooter

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I can't read their minds. Asking us what other countries will agree to is total speculation.

Why don't you show us a map of the land you think the state of Israel is entitled to.

Guaranteed that you won't give a direct answer even though there is zero speculation as to what your own personal opinion is.

This will be the first time you won't give us your opinion because you don't think that Israel should exist at all but are too afraid to actually say so.
A map?
Same border, just give all Palestinians full human rights including the right to vote.
Easy.

You can't do the same, can you shack?

 
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Darts

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We visited Israel a couple of times with a Jewish Canadian couple and noticed that the Hebrew spoken by the Jewish Canadian couple sounded a little different than that spoken by native Israelis. No, we were too polite to ask the Jewish Canadian couple why their Hebrew sounded different.

I think basketcase already answered the question. Don't read too much into the question. Just curious. Let's move on.
 

shack

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We visited Israel a couple of times with a Jewish Canadian couple and noticed that the Hebrew spoken by the Jewish Canadian couple sounded a little different than that spoken by native Israelis. No, we were too polite to ask the Jewish Canadian couple why their Hebrew sounded different.

I think basketcase already answered the question. Don't read too much into the question. Just curious. Let's move on.
Keep in mind also, I'm assuming that that couple's first language was English.
 

Frankfooter

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Keep in mind also, I'm assuming that that couple's first language was English.
You can't provide a map of what you think the borders of Israel are now or what a two state solution would look like, can you shack?
Why not?
 

Frankfooter

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I answered you already. Why should I have to repeat myself?
No, you have not answered.
You have never provided a map of what you think the borders of Israel are today.
Nor have you ever suggested a map of a possible two state solution.

Both are admissions that you know the apartheid one state solution is in effect.
 

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basketcase

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The IHRA definition isn't accepted in that many places, it attempts to call criticism of Israeli apartheid antisemitic.
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I don't care what Iran thinks, it's accepted in my country.

I love how you need to lie about it though since to quote it " However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. "


BTW. Your boy Abbas continued with his incitement at the UN today with the trope that Jews are still trying to destroy Al Aqsa.
 

basketcase

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86% support BDS.
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Again, BDS is not a peace plan and they do not endorse any peace plan.

Palestinians may support it but the majority of Palestinians also support "attacks on Jewish civilians inside Israel". It's important to listen to what they say but also important to criticize them when they do wrong like most people would do for any group.
 

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Get basketcase, toguy or shack to draw you a map they think both sides can agree to.
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Olmert's offer was fair according to what the UN, the Quartet, and the Arab League have said. Sadly Abbas doesn't want to talk peace and Hamas at best will offer a temporary truce for a peace deal.

 

basketcase

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A map?
Same border, just give all Palestinians full human rights including the right to vote.
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Palestinians hate the idea. You'd need to find a way to convince them and disarm those that reject it or you find something else but that would involved holding Palestinians accountable for their choices; something your elitist brain is incapable of doing.
 

Frankfooter

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I most certainly did.
No, you have never replied.
The closest you have come is to say you don't think the one state will ever come to pass, despite it already being there.

Feel free to link to the post where you replied.
Once you make it up.
 

Frankfooter

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Again, BDS is not a peace plan and they do not endorse any peace plan.

Palestinians may support it but the majority of Palestinians also support "attacks on Jewish civilians inside Israel". It's important to listen to what they say but also important to criticize them when they do wrong like most people would do for any group.
I don't care what a settler colonial apartheid supporter like you thinks of BDS.
Your views are based on racial supremacy and trying to stop any form of peace that might challenge the apartheid state you back.

If you weren't constantly lying about how much you want to stop the violence you'd back it as the most peaceful solution.
But you are just as against peaceful solutions as you are against Palestinian human rights.

 
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