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shack said:
Can't you read?

I told you that I have no interest in discussing the politics of the Middle East, especially not with someone of your ilk. The purpose of my post was to talk about you, not the situation in the middle east.

For example, you, as I pointed out, love the tactic of attempting to put words in other people's mouth. And you proved my assertion in this post. You just attempted to do it to me. You have no credibility on this topic. Every time you lose a debate with basketcase he exposes your hypocrisy and your loathsome tactics.

In this case, I am an observer/a Watcher and I've observed who you really are.
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Hey Shack, how nice of you to join the discussion.
But don't forget this is a thread about how attitudes have changed in Canada, where people of my 'ilk', 60% of Canadians, say they think Israel is apartheid.
Even 25% of US Jews say Israel is apartheid.

You've never been able to argue why you think Israel isn't apartheid or why you support apartheid. All you do is jump here, insult people who defend the rights of Palestinians and now you're adding in not so veiled threats of 'watching'.

I've asked before, and you've never been able to answer, but, how do you see this playing out?

You, like basketcase, can't offer possible solutions with maps. Basketcase won't even or can't even, provide a map of where he thinks the borders of Israel are. Its a big problem of course. Legally only the 1948 borders are supported by the UN. The 1967 borders would pass and be agreed, but that means giving up settlements and land. Neither of you are willing to offer to hand back illegally gained land in the nature of peace either. But you also won't admit you think that the entire land of Israel/Palestine is now Israeli, because then you're admitting its the one state apartheid solution. So what's a hasbara guy to do? You do what basketcase does, refuse to say where you think the borders are, cheer for every new settlement and then say that once the Palestinians show a nice, loving attitude you'll negotiate a peaceful two state solution with a brand new guarded walkway between the prison of Gaza and the West Bank.

All that was clear long ago when you said you supported the two state solution but also:
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The past is the past and it's been so long it is END OF STORY. No right of return or land claims for the Arabs.
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shack said:
Can't you read?

I told you that I have no interest in discussing the politics of the Middle East, especially not with someone of your ilk. The purpose of my post was to talk about you, not the situation in the middle east.

For example, you, as I pointed out, love the tactic of attempting to put words in other people's mouth. And you proved my assertion in this post. You just attempted to do it to me. You have no credibility on this topic. Every time you lose a debate with basketcase he exposes your hypocrisy and your loathsome tactics.

In this case, I am an observer/a Watcher and I've observed who you really are.

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Does the daycare know you are using their laptop?
 
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Symphony said:
I literally just told you that Palestine had offered almost the entirety of East Jerusalem and Israel counter-offered with crap farm land in exchange for taking another 10% of Jerusalem. The rest of your questions were also all shit deals so of course Palestine didn't accept.
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Source? Because actual sources don't record any offer like that. There may have been low level discussions that included that but if there were, I'm sure you're omitting some critical information about what the PA was demanding in return.
 
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Symphony said:
I literally just gave you raw data in picture form of the actual numbers. You're an idiot.
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You clearly don't understand the difference between raw data and analysis. Your need to rely on insults just proves you have no clue.
 
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Frankfooter said:
You're flogging a dead horse.

Support for the concept of the two-state solution stands at 27% and opposition stands at 71%.
A majority of 74% believes that the two-state solution is no longer practical or feasible due to the expansion of Israeli settlement
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Are you for or against this one state solution which the two sides enjoy equal rights? For 21%, Against 76%

You keep saying Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league) is dead because only 27% of Palestinians support it but demand a One State as a solution despite only 21% supporting that. Nothing elitist about your refusal to either consider Palestinian opinion nor criticize them for not listening to you.
 
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"Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league)"
Don't forget Ireland also supports two states and Ireland is sympathetic to the Palestinians.

Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
 
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Frankfooter said:
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Are you still claiming its antisemitic to take a stand against a racist apartheid policy?
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I say that YOU are anti-Semitic and that is based on your posts and Canada's definition of anti-Semitism.


Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

  • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
  • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
  • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
  • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
But keep working, there's still two characteristics you haven't hit yet.
 
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Darts said:
"Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league)"
Don't forget Ireland also supports two states and Ireland is sympathetic to the Palestinians.

Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
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I'd guess Hebrew for most Jews in Canada is an old language they use only in prayers. In Israel it is a living language.
 
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Frankfooter said:
The Brits already tried partition in 1948, that's how we got here in the first place.
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Yes, we're here because the Arab states rejected the concept of Partition, invaded, and stole the Palestinian state and because Palestinian leadership still refuse to accept any kind of Jewish majority state.
 
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niniveh said:
Would You Call This EthnicCleansing?
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I love the way that you guys keep coming up with alternate definitions of words. The Arab Israeli population is growing both as a number and percentage (as is the Palestinian population) but sure pretend the exact opposite.
 
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Darts said:
Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
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Relevance?

As you well know, the French spoken in Quebec is not the same as the French spoken in France..
 
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basketcase said:
Are you for or against this one state solution which the two sides enjoy equal rights? For 21%, Against 76%

You keep saying Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league) is dead because only 27% of Palestinians support it but demand a One State as a solution despite only 21% supporting that. Nothing elitist about your refusal to either consider Palestinian opinion nor criticize them for not listening to you.
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86% support BDS.

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You work very hard to pretend that BDS is a peace offer. Meanwhile BDS refuses to endorse any peace plan.

More significantly,

Trudeau concluded his remarks Tuesday by telling the questioner, “I will continue to condemn the BDS movement,” adding that Canada supported a two-state solution “that will be negotiated directly by Israel and the Palestinian people.”
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BDS supports the end of apartheid.
That will be peace.

Your Trudeau quote is 4 years old. JT can't ignore 60% of Canadians who say Israel is apartheid.
 
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Darts said:
"Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league)"
Don't forget Ireland also supports two states and Ireland is sympathetic to the Palestinians.

Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
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The two state solution is dead.
The proof is easy.
Get basketcase, toguy or shack to draw you a map they think both sides can agree to.

The can't do it.
There isn't enough land left.

The one state apartheid solution is already here.
 
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