"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll
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Oh, you are arguing that life was better under apartheid, aren't you?
Darts, am I right that you've said you identify as Sikh on this board?
I'm always curious how people come to support apartheid, and you're path must be very interesting.
I am not sure why you didn’t use the 2024 QS report Much improved They are trending in the right direction
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Still trying to argue that life was better in South Africa under apartheid?
Hmmm.
I guess PCPSR is lying then.
So the Palestinians need you to tell them how to do a survey too?
And I notice you still don't want to acknowledge that Palestinians opposing peace deals alongside Jews is a serious complication to making a peace deal.
Ah, the tactics of a conspiracy theorist, claim everyone else is lying.
Which of these is lies?
- Did Abbas respond in any way to Olmert's offer?
- Did the Palestinians accept the Clinton Parameters?
- Did the Palestinians accept the Camp David Accords?
- Did the Palestinians accept Partition?
- Did the Palestinians accept the Peel Commission?
- Can you show a single offer for peace the Palestinian leadership made?
Of course you know reality isn't on your side so you just accuse me of lying.
Holy shit your idiocy is getting extreme and one again you feel the need to pretend I have any influence.
You admit Palestinians don't want a One State peace yet you still demand they be forced into it. Maybe the fact that most Palestinians oppose peace is something that needs to change. Instead you just blame Israel and ignore what palestinians want.
At least the EU understands that peace can't be made without Palestinian agreement.
‘100% carrots’: Arab states, EU unveil plan to entice Israel, PA to sign peace deal
Initiative's European architect highlights effort to show parties what will be available to them if they reach a deal; Arab participants use event to blast Israeli policies
www.timesofisrael.com
Some activist types may be but the vast majority have things more concerning to them than forcing Palestinians into something they hate.
Thanks for proving why it's important to read the raw data instead of relying on second hand analysis.
That's not going over very well with Netanyahu's pal, MBS.Holy shit your idiocy is getting extreme and one again you feel the need to pretend I have any influence.
You admit Palestinians don't want a One State peace yet you still demand they be forced into it. Maybe the fact that most Palestinians oppose peace is something that needs to change. Instead you just blame Israel and ignore what palestinians want.
At least the EU understands that peace can't be made without Palestinian agreement.
‘100% carrots’: Arab states, EU unveil plan to entice Israel, PA to sign peace deal
Initiative's European architect highlights effort to show parties what will be available to them if they reach a deal; Arab participants use event to blast Israeli policies
Saudi FM: No solution to Israel-Palestine conflict without independent Palestine
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www.haaretz.com
I notice that you refuse to admit that BDS polled at 86% support with Palestinians.
You work very hard to ignore BDS, don't you?
This is page 23 of a thread about a poll showing that the majority of Canadians think Israel is apartheid.
How out of touch are you?
Ok, we know.
Most Israelis do not support a two-state solution, new poll shows
According to the results, 58 percent of Jewish Israelis opposed such a move, with another 11 percent undecided
Thatès an impossibility since he di
I have no idea how old basketcase is. He may be 80 or he may be 20.
I am curious as to why you seem to think that calling him grandpa is an insult or that it negates his opinion.
We already know that you are a Jew-hating ant-Semite. Do you also feel that older people's opinions are meaningless? You seem to be racist and ageist.
When I call you "little buddy" it's clearly because you look up to frank and follow him around like Gilligan did to the skipper. What exactly does it mean when you call him grandpa. What does it mean?
Frank, it seems that you've been asking darts for his opinion on several topics.
What types of responses have you been getting?
Darts, a right winger, says he stands with Trudeau on the issue of the Sikh assassination/killing in Canada. I appreciate that darts is willing to back Trudeau on this call. Though I'm still curious why someone who identifies here as Sikh would back apartheid. But I see you are here again pushing antisemitic tropes, accusing people of antisemitism for criticizing the state of Israel and its apartheid policy.
Are you still claiming its antisemitic to take a stand against a racist apartheid policy?
Even when there are Jewish groups like IJVCanada here that also taking a stand against Israeli apartheid?
Do you now also say that 60% of Canadians are antisemitic for calling Israel out on apartheid?
Do you also say that 25% of US Jews are also antisemitic for calling Israel apartheid?
I'm no expert on BDS but based on what I read and spoken to a couple of people here who are actually from SA.
BDS make liberal lefties feel good but the conditions on the ground is not much better or even better at all than before. The economy is not good. Unemployment is very high. Crime is through the roof. People (it's white people this time) are discriminated against and beaten/killed. Also, inequalities still very much alive. ANC corruption..
On the other hand, blacks can now sit on the same park bench as whites.
"Resulting, many South Africans are living in poverty. So, land redistribution is a big problem. With many white-owned farms still prevalent in the country, the ANC seeks to take this land back. But, the whites are being killed on their farms for their land. And, the U.N. has put South Africa on the genocide watch list because of the killings of the farm owners. Though the government has announced there will be new legislation to solve this problem.
I'm only interested in facts, not rhetoric..
What Present-Day South Africa Looks Like After Apartheid (theodysseyonline.com)
ANC corruption is a major cause of South Africa’s failure – and the polls will show it | William Gumede | The Guardia
BDS make liberal lefties feel good but the conditions on the ground is not much better or even better at all than before. The economy is not good. Unemployment is very high. Crime is through the roof. People (it's white people this time) are discriminated against and beaten/killed. Also, inequalities still very much alive. ANC corruption..
On the other hand, blacks can now sit on the same park bench as whites.
"Resulting, many South Africans are living in poverty. So, land redistribution is a big problem. With many white-owned farms still prevalent in the country, the ANC seeks to take this land back. But, the whites are being killed on their farms for their land. And, the U.N. has put South Africa on the genocide watch list because of the killings of the farm owners. Though the government has announced there will be new legislation to solve this problem.
I'm only interested in facts, not rhetoric..
What Present-Day South Africa Looks Like After Apartheid (theodysseyonline.com)
ANC corruption is a major cause of South Africa’s failure – and the polls will show it | William Gumede | The Guardia
South Africa is complicated, for sure. Your articles are 5 and 8 years old but problems persist, though I'm not totally up to date. Sounds like its more about inequality and wealth distribution now instead of just about race.
South Africa can’t crack the inequality curse. Why, and what can be done
Efforts have been made to change the patterns of inequality in South Africa. But not enough has been done. Race-based inequality is still a real problem.
theconversation.com
But I think you'd find yourself in a pretty tiny group if you're really trying to argue that apartheid should be brought back there or that it was better for everyone. Even here in Canada we have issues with some native bands having inept or corrupt leadership and some that do great. But now at least we can say its their problem more often and allow them the chance to succeed or fail on their own. Same for South Africa.
I'm still curious, are you using that as justification for supporting apartheid under Israeli rule, that you really think life is better for Palestinians under apartheid?
How can that work when you look at the 2 million living in Gaza, the world's largest open air prison where 10% of the kids are stunted from malnutrition, electricity is available only for a few hours a day and there is almost no drinkable water?
