"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll

basketcase

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"Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league)"
Don't forget Ireland also supports two states and Ireland is sympathetic to the Palestinians.

Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
 

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Are you still claiming its antisemitic to take a stand against a racist apartheid policy?
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I say that YOU are anti-Semitic and that is based on your posts and Canada's definition of anti-Semitism.


Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

  • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
  • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
  • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
  • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
But keep working, there's still two characteristics you haven't hit yet.
 

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"Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league)"
Don't forget Ireland also supports two states and Ireland is sympathetic to the Palestinians.

Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
I'd guess Hebrew for most Jews in Canada is an old language they use only in prayers. In Israel it is a living language.
 

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The Brits already tried partition in 1948, that's how we got here in the first place.
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Yes, we're here because the Arab states rejected the concept of Partition, invaded, and stole the Palestinian state and because Palestinian leadership still refuse to accept any kind of Jewish majority state.
 

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Would You Call This EthnicCleansing?
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I love the way that you guys keep coming up with alternate definitions of words. The Arab Israeli population is growing both as a number and percentage (as is the Palestinian population) but sure pretend the exact opposite.
 

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Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
Relevance?

As you well know, the French spoken in Quebec is not the same as the French spoken in France..
 
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Are you for or against this one state solution which the two sides enjoy equal rights? For 21%, Against 76%

You keep saying Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league) is dead because only 27% of Palestinians support it but demand a One State as a solution despite only 21% supporting that. Nothing elitist about your refusal to either consider Palestinian opinion nor criticize them for not listening to you.
86% support BDS.

BDS supports the end of apartheid.
That will be peace.

Your Trudeau quote is 4 years old. JT can't ignore 60% of Canadians who say Israel is apartheid.
 
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"Two States (as supported by Canada, the UN, and the Arab league)"
Don't forget Ireland also supports two states and Ireland is sympathetic to the Palestinians.

Extraneous question: Do the Israelis speak a slightly different Hebrew than Jews in Canada?
The two state solution is dead.
The proof is easy.
Get basketcase, toguy or shack to draw you a map they think both sides can agree to.

The can't do it.
There isn't enough land left.

The one state apartheid solution is already here.
 
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I say that YOU are anti-Semitic and that is based on your posts and Canada's definition of anti-Semitism.


Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

  • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
  • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
  • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
  • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
But keep working, there's still two characteristics you haven't hit yet.
The IHRA definition isn't accepted in that many places, it attempts to call criticism of Israeli apartheid antisemitic.
Its also racist in its own ways.

You constantly push this narrative when you say criticism of Israeli apartheid is antisemitic.
You break:
  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Every time you say its antisemitic to criticism Israeli policy you are accusing all Jews of being responsible for Israel. That's a trope.

  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Your racism becomes very clear when you claim this right for Jews but refuse it for Palestinians living in what should be Palestine. That is antisemitic.

  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
All countries should be boycotted for apartheid. You want Israel excused for apartheid. That's antisemitic.

The IHRA definition is an attempt to stop debate about Israeli policy.
 
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And for the 'right' of Palestinians to attack any Jew that is in occupied territory (which according to your posts means all of Israel).
You give Ukrainians the right to self defence, the right to attack Russians who are occupying Ukraine.
You refuse to admit Palestinians that same right to self defence against an illegal, foreign occupation.

That's antisemitic.
 
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Get basketcase, toguy or shack to draw you a map they think both sides can agree to.
I can't read their minds. Asking us what other countries will agree to is total speculation.

Why don't you show us a map of the land you think the state of Israel is entitled to.

Guaranteed that you won't give a direct answer even though there is zero speculation as to what your own personal opinion is.

This will be the first time you won't give us your opinion because you don't think that Israel should exist at all but are too afraid to actually say so.
 
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I can't read their minds. Asking us what other countries will agree to is total speculation.

Why don't you show us a map of the land you think the state of Israel is entitled to.

Guaranteed that you won't give a direct answer even though there is zero speculation as to what your own personal opinion is.

This will be the first time you won't give us your opinion because you don't think that Israel should exist at all but are too afraid to actually say so.
A map?
Same border, just give all Palestinians full human rights including the right to vote.
Easy.

You can't do the same, can you shack?

 
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