It's pretty disgusting that in your Victorian mindset, you think Palestinians aren't capable of making their own choices and need you to tell them what to do.
"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll
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Wow. Talk about grasping at straws. Either you believe that Palestinian have a right to self determination or you don't. The fact that you put in all sorts of emotionally laden bullshit doesn't change the fact you are openly saying the world should force the Palestinians in to something they hate.
And of course you have no comment on exactly how terror groups like Hamas or PIJ that reject your elitist plan will be disarmed. Maybe you think they will just hand over their weapons because you say so.
Can you find a single post where I fail to condemn those racist assholes? Sadly you live in a paradigm based on one sided hatred so you think everyone else does. We both condemn racism from radical Jews. Sadly only one of us condemns racism from Palestinians leadership like the Holocaust denier Abbas or the genocidal terrorism of groups like Hamas who plan, conduct, and celebrate the murder of civilians.
Still blaming the victims for not wanting their country split in half by western colonialists?
Israel has been occupying Palestine for more than half a century now.
Funny that living under apartheid hasn't made them want to live with Israelis, isn't it?
Think its the 'Death to Arab' marches or something?
Not that you have any problem with those Israelis calling for taking all of Palestine or 'Judea and Samaria'.
The last poll I can find is 2015, where 86% of Palestinians back BDS.
Still blaming the victims for the occupation and now also blaming them for not signing a treaty without a map.
Hell, you still can't even provide a map of what you think the borders of Israel and Palestine are.
Its kind of amazing you defend a country when you can't even tell us where its borders lie.
Sorry but despite your low opinion of non-white people, Palestinian leadership make choices to reject peace and target civilians. I'm glad I live in a country who isn't afraid to condemn them for it.
Not only can't you identify the borders of Israel and/or Palestine, now you can't say if they are at peace or at war.
Is it an illegal occupation or is it the one state apartheid solution?
Why can't you answer basic questions about this ethno state you love so much?
WTF?
This is offensive and unwarranted.
We live in a country that is opposed to apartheid.
A country where 60% of Canadians say Israel is apartheid.
A country that values equal rights and finds racists disgusting.
I'm glad I live here and can support the same Canadian values elsewhere.
Unlike some.
The Israeli leadership chose to reject peace and target civilian protesters ever Friday for a year, using snipers on women, children, disabled, medics, journalists and other civilians.
Its like every post by basketcase is his own Rubicon speech.
The reality that grandpa avoids like the plague.
Of course a Palestinian ethno-state doesn't bother you in the slightest.
And your attempts at distraction are weak. Hamas which rules Gaza and Israel were at war. While Hamas was firing thousand of war crime rockets towards the Israeli population, Israel was sending enough food to Hamas to support their population.
I do. I'm not the one supporting attacks on civilians because "you can't tell them apart". International law says civilians lose protections WHILE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN VIOLENCE.
Yep, Israel is "oppressing" Gaza by making hamas fire thousands of rockets towards Israeli populations.
And yes, it was a war. Gaza is fully controlled by Hamas. It may not be officially a country but the differences are minimal.
It's tricky but even you must know that there is not a single Israeli in Gaza (actually not quite right, I think Hamas still holds hostage a mentally ill Israeli who snuck across the border).
Well thanks for admitting that you're okay with genocidal nationalism when it comes from the Palestinians.
Wow you're embarrassing yourself. Were you not able to read the heading of your link?
Analysis and op-eds. As I said, second hand analysis.
This is the actual polling.
The executive analysis for their September polling is up but as normal, I will wait for the raw data instead of analysis.
Ah, the elitist colonial attitude telling them what's good for them. thanks for once again proving how little you actually care about palestinian self-determination.
Did you ever read what you wrote?(1) Lmao! First of all, this map was drawn by Abbas on a napkin based on a map Olmert had shown him but would not allow him to take a copy:
"Olmert met in mid-2008 with Mahmoud Abbas and showed him a map of the proposed swaps. Abbas was not allowed to keep a copy of the map, and so the 73-year-old Palestinian president had to sketch a copy by hand on a napkin...A set of talking points prepared by the NSU included a great deal of confusion about Olmert’s offer; the memo urged Abbas to ask for a copy of the map, and raised a number of questions about the territory swaps."
Hmm....not sketchy at all!
(2) Secondly, allowing a symbolic number of Palestinian refugees into Israel would not resolve the issue — because descendants of Palestinian refugees now numbered in the millions at that point and were scattered across the region.
(3) Finally, the proposed deal was crap and would have taken MORE land from the Palestinians, not given them anything extra:
"Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert wanted to annex more than 10% of the West Bank (including the major settlements in Ma’ale Adumim, Ariel and elsewhere), in exchange for sparsely-populated farmland along the Gaza Strip and the West Bank...Israel would keep all of its major West Bank settlements – Ma’ale Adumim, Ariel, Kedumim and others – none of which were included in the Palestinian offers.
PA offered to concede almost all of East Jerusalem, an historic concession for which Israel offered nothing in return.
Olmert also proposed a 'safe passage' – a territorial link between the West Bank and Gaza – that would be under Palestinian control yet remain under Israeli sovereignty. A special road would connect Bethlehem with Ramallah, bypassing East Jerusalem." <------Not much of a "safe passage" if the enemy owns it. This was at a time when Palestinians wanted and could reasonably ask for a geographically contiguous State that corresponded with the 1967 borders, based on how much land they still had at the time of this offer.
Conclusion: Olmert offered a crappy and ambiguous deal that he wasn't even willing to put in writing or share a map of publicly. He wanted Abbas to sign this deal at the meeting, when the details weren't even put in writing by Olmert. This was after Abbas was willing to concede almost all of East Jerusalem. Israel wanted to annex MORE land in exchange for a few tracts of bad farmland. Nobody with an ounce of common sense would accept such a raw deal.
1) Abbas' napkin was copied from the map he was shown which is the map I posted.
2) I know you don't care what Palestinians want but the most recent polling I could find has only 10% of refugees wanting to move to Israel. The poll is dated but I can't find any PCPSR polls more recent.
3) Why do you feel the need to make things up when the actual data is available?
Conclusion. Abbas didn't even make a counterproposal. He could have negotiated the number of refugees/descendants, he could have negotiated the amount or which land would be swapped (he is on record supporting the idea). Instead he walked away and made absolutely zero attempt to pursue ANY kind of negotiations, probably a) because it might threaten his cash cow, and b) because he knew most Palestinian factions wouldn't go along.
Just like Franky, a bunch of emotionally laden, factually deficient word salad trying to explain how you know far more than Palestinians.
For example, do you know what led to Hamas' formation? It has a lot to do with the PLO moving towards some kind of relations with Israel. You have this infantile view that Palestinians are just helpless victims while ignoring things like Hamas raison d'etre being the formation of an Islamic Caliphate. I would love it if Hamas et al lost sway but as it is, they have a shit load of weapons and aren't afraid to use them on anyone who threatens their power.
Do you really think your random tweets add anything to the discussion other than show your infantile obsessions?
Most people actually try and discuss their ideas. You seem to be either afraid or incapable of doing so. Maybe your English teach will one day show you how to create an argumentative essay.
