"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll

[Frankfooter]

Simply because the Palestinians reject the idea.

BDS has about 80% support with Palestinians.

You think that means they reject boycotts, sanctions and divestment to end apartheid?
You really should stop claiming you know what Palestinians think or that you represent them in any way.

What is BDS?


The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.

 

[Frankfooter]

I read somewhere that Israel used calorie counts to allow just the right amount of food into Gaza at one point man. That's some fucked up shit right there if that happened.

That happened, but Israel stopped it when that info got out and it made them look a touch Nazi like.
That was in 2012 when they were just starting the blockade of Gaza.

Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim

Defence ministry files on 'avoiding' civilian malnutrition are proof Israel used food restrictions to hit Hamas, says Palestine group

www.theguardian.com

That blockade is now 17 years old, its a war crime of collective punishment.

Its also true that 10% of the kids in Gaza were and still are stunted through malnutrition under the Israeli occupation and blockade.

Undernutrition, stunting rife: Dire state of diets among Palestinian kids underlined by new study

There is a high prevalence of stunting, wasting and acute undernutrition among children under the age of five in Palestine’s Gaza Strip, a new study has concluded.

www.foodnavigator-asia.com

I'm trying to remember, but I think when the WHO reported on Israeli policy physically deforming children through starvation Israel responded by kicking WHO out of Gaza.
Basketcase of course blames Hamas and Palestinians.

 

[basketcase]

The UN says the occupation is illegal, which means that ever settler is involved in the occupation and its ensuing violence by your logic.
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I love when you argue against your own rights groups and international law.

At times, civilians may take part in hostilities without formally belonging to any regular armed force. This may happen, most notably, in the context of spontaneous uprisings in occupied territories. It may also occur in other armed conflicts where the distinction between civilians and combatants becomes more difficult. In such cases, civilians who directly take part in hostilities temporarily lose the protection provided for civilians, but only for the duration of their participation in the hostilities (API Art. 51.3, APII Art. 13.3).

 

[basketcase]

I read somewhere that Israel used calorie counts to allow just the right amount of food into Gaza at one point man. That's some fucked up shit right there if that happened.

You should try reading facts instead of relying on what you 'read somewhere'.

Israel provided aid to Gaza even during active fighting. Israel provided the amount of calories recommended by the WHO. But sure, pretend that it is Israel's responsibility to send luxuries to Hamas' Gaza while they and Gaza were at war.

 

[basketcase]

Still trying to blame the victims of a 75 year old occupation for being occupied?
You think Palestinians are to blame for the Israeli occupation of their homeland?

Still trying to pretend Palestinians are so far beneath you that they can't be accountable for their actions?

And thanks for once again admitting you consider all of Israel to be Occupied territory. Considering you have repeatedly said Jews have no right to be in occupied territory, it shows pretty clearly that your claims for equal rights are bullshit.

 

[basketcase]

No...the Israeli's want it even less. Palestinians rate a one-state solution as their second favorite option.

No idea where you get your data from because recent polling also 76 % of Palestinians reject a One State peace and 70% oppose a two State peace. It has me wondering if there is any kind of peace plan Palestinians support.



Right, neither side wants a One State peace. Israel has officially accepted the concept of a Two State peace but the current government isn't going to move towards it. Olmert offered a comprehensive Two State deal in 2008 which was fully compliant to what the UN and Arab League wanted but like with Partition and the Peel Commission, the Palestinian leadership rejected it.

Last I checked, polling of Israelis is pretty close or just below 50% of Israelis supporting a Two State peace.


p.s. I must have missed your explanation for why you criticize the Brits for not consulting the people living there while while refusing to consult what the people there want in regard to a One State peace. And I'm still waiting for you to explain who is going to go in to Gaza or Jenin to disarm Hamas and PIJ.

 

[Klatuu]

I love when you argue against your own rights groups and international law.

oh grandpa

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1394391261679849472

 

[Butler1000]

That is some evil shit right there man to control land, air and sea, bomb them to hell, and then only allow a certain number of calories per day and call it "humane". It's like this Israeli guy once argued with me how kind Israel was for dropping leaflets informing people in Gaza of an impending airstrike, while cutting off access to every route out of Gaza. Psychological terror at its finest.

It continues to be simple. Toss Hamas out. Say you want peace. Negotiate a separate state. Sign a peace deal.

 

[Butler1000]

Yeah how dumb of both the Israelis and Palestinians to not realize how simple it was!

The Israelis do. They have signed several peace treaties with the likes of Egypt, And other nations in the region. And held them.

The Palestinians however have never even tried. Have they?

 

[Klatuu]

The Israelis do. They have signed several peace treaties with the likes of Egypt, And other nations in the region. And held them.

The Palestinians however have never even tried. Have they?

You are an excellent candidate for the Darwin Award.

 

[Butler1000]

You are an excellent candidate for the Darwin Award.

So no actual argument. Just ad hominim......

Yup, that's all the Palestinians have too.

 

[Frankfooter]

I love when you argue against your own rights groups and international law.

At times, civilians may take part in hostilities without formally belonging to any regular armed force. This may happen, most notably, in the context of spontaneous uprisings in occupied territories. It may also occur in other armed conflicts where the distinction between civilians and combatants becomes more difficult. In such cases, civilians who directly take part in hostilities temporarily lose the protection provided for civilians, but only for the duration of their participation in the hostilities (API Art. 51.3, APII Art. 13.3).

I find it disgusting that you accuse Palestinian protesters in Gaza of 'taking part in hostilities' to justify shooting them every Friday for a year during the Great March of Return. Every Friday for a year Israeli snipers shot civilians and you defended it claiming it was the people of Gaza who were 'violent'. You claim to quote international law but only to defend war crimes. You want to claim settlers as civilians even when they are committing 99 attacks a month on Palestinian civilians. You claim to support international law while ignoring the fact that every single settlement is illegal, a war crime.


Since the start of the year there have been at least 99 incidents where settlers have attacked Palestinians, where it is clear they are not acting as civilians.

https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence_updates_list

You still act as though Israel is on the right side of the law and morality while ignoring 99% of the law and reports.

Chapter 3: Israeli Settlements and International Law

www.amnesty.org

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You defend apartheid and violence on civilians so vicious it makes Hamas look like the freedom convoy.

 

[Frankfooter]

Still trying to pretend Palestinians are so far beneath you that they can't be accountable for their actions?

Still trying to blame the occupation of Palestine on Palestinians?
Still trying to blame Palestinians for apartheid?

Using the wife beater's defence that its all the fault of the victims is disgusting.

 

[Frankfooter]

No idea where you get your data from because recent polling also 76 % of Palestinians reject a One State peace and 70% oppose a two State peace. It has me wondering if there is any kind of peace plan Palestinians support.

They don't support the two state solution because its no longer feasible because of the settlements you claim 'aren't the problem'.
Today, 71% believe the two-state solution is no longer practical due to settlement expansion but 27% believe it is still practical. Moreover, 76% believe that the chances for the establishment of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel in the next five years are slim or nonextant, and 23% believe the chances are medium or high. Three months ago, 71% said that the two-state solution is no longer practical due to settlement expansion.

30 years after Oslo Palestinians have been taught that Israel won't negotiate.

The only non-violent path forward is supporting BDS to end apartheid.

 

[Klatuu]

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I've told you all of this before, but you simply keep regurgitating the same debunked arguments and answered questions.

grandpa‘s primary posting strategy is to filibuster every one using his Groundhog Day tactics.

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[Frankfooter]

Israeli ministers out and about.
Repeating some of basketcase's favourite lines 'there is no Palestine', 'arrest the terrorist'.....

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701648049083134001

 

[basketcase]

oh grandpa
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Do you really think your random tweets add anything to the discussion other than show your infantile obsessions?

 

[basketcase]

That is some evil shit right there man ...

Seriously? It had to be the only war in history where one of the sides feeding the enemy but you have this pathetic need to try and claim Israel is evil because of it.

 

[basketcase]

Yeah how dumb of both the Israelis and Palestinians to not realize how simple it was!

It is simple. Unfortunately the leadership on both sides benefit from the status quo. Netanyahu gets to keep in power (which is his only motivation), the PA gets it's uncontrolled corruption, Hamas millionaires make more money and justify their exitance.

It is also unfortunately that people like you keep pretending Palestinians should have no agency or responsibility for their choices.

 

[Frankfooter]

Seriously? It had to be the only war in history where one of the sides feeding the enemy but you have this pathetic need to try and claim Israel is evil because of it.

You're defending calorie counting all of Gaza?
Where 10% of the children are permanently stunted because of malnutrition?

Its one thing to defend racist policies like apartheid and ethnic cleansing but to defend disfiguring children is another level.