Sorry but what peace treaties have the Palestinians signed?
They refused the Peel Commission plan, they refused Partition, they refused at Camp David, they rejected the Clinton Initiative and walked away from Olmert's 2008 offer.
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They refused the Peel Commission plan, they refused Partition, they refused at Camp David, they rejected the Clinton Initiative and walked away from Olmert's 2008 offer.
I'm defending Israel as the only country in the world that ever shipped food to their enemy during a war. Hell of a lot better than Hamas shipping thousands of unguided rockets towards Israeli cities during that same conflict.
Now you're claiming Israel is at war?
With what country?
The Gaza strip is the world's largest open air prison, its not a country where things are 'shipped'.
Gaza: Israel’s ‘Open-Air Prison’ at 15
How long did the Warsaw Ghetto last?
There are teenagers there who have known nothing else, who have lived through countless Israeli attacks and total control of everything that goes in and out of Gaza.
2,279 Calories per Person: How Israel Made Sure Gaza Didn't Starve
State forced to release 'red lines' document for food consumption in the coastal Strip following legal battle; official: state has right to determine who it assists.
So their first choice is getting rid of Jews. Thanks for admitting that. Think that might be something worth condemning?
And you shouldn't rely on second hand analysis because their polls show that far more Palestinians oppose a One State peace than a two state one.
Also from PCPSR: June polling
But I'm sure you support that belief.
And sorry but Abbas was shown the map and walked away without even making a counter-offer. There was an offer on the table for a Palestinian state on the equivalent of 100% of West Bank/Gaza with land swaps, a land corridor between Gaza and the West Bank, international oversight for the Holy Basin, citizenship for some Palestinian refugees and compensation for the rest as well as assistance to settle in Palestine, the state of their birth, or an accepting third country like Canada (and polling of refugees have only single figure percentages wanting to become Israeli). The map was even published by Al Jazeera.
If the only issue was exactly what land would be swapped (as Al Jazeera alleges), the deal would have been completed in a few weeks negotiation but Abbas knew that after generations of pushing for the elimination of Israel, the Palestinian public wouldn't support him and he'd lose his job to hardliners. I would say that the lack of peace in 2008 was 100% the fault of Abbas but we all know that even if Abbas had agreed to peace, groups like Hamas wouldn't go along with it.
I find it disgusting that you choose to ignore Palestinian violence and support their attacks on Jewish civilians.
Plenty of video and photographic evidence showing violence, firebombs, gunmen, and explosives. Plenty of people there were peaceful but not all of them.
Of course you have routinely tried to count Palestinians killed during attacks on Jews as innocent civilians so it's nothing new.
Playing dumb again? There's a reason it was called the Gaza War.
And I see that you desperately avoid any mention of thousands of war crime rockets launched by Hamas during that war but instead want to demonize israel because it gave "only" the recommended amount of food to its enemies. At the same time that Hamas was sending thousands of war crime rocket at Israel, Israel was shipping thousands of tons of food to Hamas.
It's pretty disgusting that in your Victorian mindset, you think Palestinians aren't capable of making their own choices and need you to tell them what to do.
Wow. Talk about grasping at straws. Either you believe that Palestinian have a right to self determination or you don't. The fact that you put in all sorts of emotionally laden bullshit doesn't change the fact you are openly saying the world should force the Palestinians in to something they hate.
And of course you have no comment on exactly how terror groups like Hamas or PIJ that reject your elitist plan will be disarmed. Maybe you think they will just hand over their weapons because you say so.
Can you find a single post where I fail to condemn those racist assholes? Sadly you live in a paradigm based on one sided hatred so you think everyone else does. We both condemn racism from radical Jews. Sadly only one of us condemns racism from Palestinians leadership like the Holocaust denier Abbas or the genocidal terrorism of groups like Hamas who plan, conduct, and celebrate the murder of civilians.
Still blaming the victims for not wanting their country split in half by western colonialists?
Israel has been occupying Palestine for more than half a century now.
Funny that living under apartheid hasn't made them want to live with Israelis, isn't it?
Think its the 'Death to Arab' marches or something?
Not that you have any problem with those Israelis calling for taking all of Palestine or 'Judea and Samaria'.
The last poll I can find is 2015, where 86% of Palestinians back BDS.
Still blaming the victims for the occupation and now also blaming them for not signing a treaty without a map.
Hell, you still can't even provide a map of what you think the borders of Israel and Palestine are.
Its kind of amazing you defend a country when you can't even tell us where its borders lie.
Sorry but despite your low opinion of non-white people, Palestinian leadership make choices to reject peace and target civilians. I'm glad I live in a country who isn't afraid to condemn them for it.
Not only can't you identify the borders of Israel and/or Palestine, now you can't say if they are at peace or at war.
Is it an illegal occupation or is it the one state apartheid solution?
Why can't you answer basic questions about this ethno state you love so much?
WTF?
This is offensive and unwarranted.
We live in a country that is opposed to apartheid.
A country where 60% of Canadians say Israel is apartheid.
A country that values equal rights and finds racists disgusting.
I'm glad I live here and can support the same Canadian values elsewhere.
Unlike some.
The Israeli leadership chose to reject peace and target civilian protesters ever Friday for a year, using snipers on women, children, disabled, medics, journalists and other civilians.
Its like every post by basketcase is his own Rubicon speech.
The reality that grandpa avoids like the plague.
Of course a Palestinian ethno-state doesn't bother you in the slightest.
And your attempts at distraction are weak. Hamas which rules Gaza and Israel were at war. While Hamas was firing thousand of war crime rockets towards the Israeli population, Israel was sending enough food to Hamas to support their population.
