"Israel, Similar to Apartheid": Ekos Canada Poll

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It should be doable if Israel wasn't an ethnostate.
And if the Palestinians weren't just as racist.

You do realize that the PA has laws that ban Jewish land ownership and makes it a capital offence to sell land to Jews (though thankfully they've been staying the punishment in recent years)?
 

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I told you before, no one cares what they want if what they want is a purge and totally unrealistic. ...
You're an idiot. Of course the Palestnians aren't interested in peace, they are the victims and don't have the power. Israel is the aggressor and they hold the power. The peace process has to be initiated by Israel in good faith and not the shitty deals they've offered so far.
So what are you doing to convince them to accept something reasonable other than simply blaming Israel for everything? How are you going to force them into it when no one has been able to stop the violence so far?

Your thinking really belongs to a Victorian.
 

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There should be no artificial effort to preserve ethnic majorities of any kind, in any country through any sort of preferential immigration policy that is either restrictive or permissive for that matter. Race, religion etc in short, should not and do not have any bearing on citizenship.
So the Palestinian laws banning Jewish travellers, banning Jewish land ownership, and banning sales of land to Jews?
 

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You mean actual facts? Thanks for playing. It's as dumb as saying I'm racist for mentioning that yes, Hamas is a terror group.
There have been an average of 99 settler terrorist attacks a month, backed by the state, over the last year.
That makes Israel a terrorist group.

Yet you keep defending them.

Israel commits way more terrorism, are you a terrorism supporter?

 
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Um. It was created as such after the Holocaust. ...
Are you not aware that the Brits/International community already proposed a partition before WWII? If the Arab states were willing to accept Jews in the region, Israel would be much, much smaller.


This thread is a really example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Take the time to dive deeper than simply superficial claims and try examining reality. Your knowledge of history is extremely limited and your view for a way forward relies on rejecting the rights of the people you claim to support.
 

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Are you not aware that the Brits/International community already proposed a partition before WWII? If the Arab states were willing to accept Jews in the region, Israel would be much, much smaller.


This thread is a really example of the Dunning Kruger effect. Take the time to dive deeper than simply superficial claims and try examining reality. Your knowledge of history is extremely limited and your view for a way forward relies on rejecting the rights of the people you claim to support.
Jews were already living peacefully with Palestines.
The question is why they needed an ethno state and had to kick out the Palestinians.

Because there has never been a Palestinian state.
There is only the apartheid one state solution.
Apartheid Israel.
 

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There have been an average of 99 settler terrorist attacks a month, backed by the state, over the last year.
That makes Israel a terrorist group.

Yet you keep defending them.

Israel commits way more terrorism, are you a terrorism supporter?

Wow more of your racist double standard. You keep claiming it is racist to say Hamas is a terror group and say you can't call them terrorists because the ICC hasn't said so yet you freely claim a small number of Jewish terrorists makes Israel terrorist in it's entirety. All you are doing is showing the kind of racism you accuse me of.

If Canada ever removes Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Kach, or Al Aqsa from their terror designation, I will stop calling them a terrorist group.
 

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Jews were already living peacefully with Palestines.
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Other than the anti-semitic attacks on a semi-regular basis and the anti-immigrant incitement.

The Arab Revolt and Arabs atatcks on long standing jewish communities was the motivation behind the Peel Commission.
 
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I mean, this guy literally said he supports the idea of an ethnostate so ofc I don't expect a good faith discussion. I'm talking to someone who is basically a Nazi.
Well you seem no better because you want the minorities forced into something because it fits your agenda and infantalize them by thinking that heavily armed groups that hate your plan will just thank you for showing them the light and become peaceful.
 

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Wow more of your racist double standard. You keep claiming it is racist to say Hamas is a terror group and say you can't call them terrorists because the ICC hasn't said so yet you freely claim a small number of Jewish terrorists makes Israel terrorist in it's entirety. All you are doing is showing the kind of racism you accuse me of.

If Canada ever removes Hamas, PFLP, PIJ, Kach, or Al Aqsa from their terror designation, I will stop calling them a terrorist group.
Straw man argument, basketcase.

You repeatedly refuse to even use the word 'Palestinian' and instead use 'Hamas' whenever possible so as to conflate all Palestinians with 'terrorists'.
Its been a tactic here for years with you.

The same way you refuse to admit that Israeli state backed settlers commit way more, state backed, terrorism than Hamas or all Palestinians.
You claim your entire argument is about terrorism but then excuse the nearly 10x more terrorism committed by the group you back.

The same way you support targeting Palestinian civilians, the same way you support apartheid, ethnic cleansing and 19th century colonialism.
Its all based on race.
 
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This is not comparable to the Tamil Tigers. There were Tamils in Sri Lanka, who did not even support the Tamil Tigers to a large extent. The Tamil Tigers were also fighting for a different set of reasons. The Tamil Tigers were also a faction that was eventually defeated by the Sri Lankan military. None of this applies to Palestine.
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Do you think there aren't Palestinians who oppose violence and oppose their leaders? Shit that is elitist.

Hell, a bunch of Palestinians just shit on Abbas and his anti-semitism even though Palestinian law allows them to be jailed and tortured from criticizing him.
 

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Straw man argument, basketcase.
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Sorry but quoting reality isn't what "star man" means.


Why is it you have no problem labelling Jews who target Palestinian civilians as terrorists but refuse to do so when Palestinians target Jewish civilians? Oh that's right, you think you can't tell Jews apart so all are fair game.
 

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Then this was terrorism, which you refuse to admit.
Says the guy who instead of admitting these are terrorism claims they are self defence
 

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ISRAEL needs to do the convincing. They are the oppressors with all the power. They need to make moves towards giving Palestinians equality. Once they do that Palestinians will naturally lose motivation to fight
Wow. Where do you get the racist idea that Palestinians are helpless in this and shouldn't be required to engage in peace talks?
 
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