Guns in America: 12 year old girl murders father with gun, then kills herself

[cunning linguist]

The funny thing is you're pissed off about me posting specifically because I've posted against guns. I've been quite clearly advocating for even stricter regulations on handguns which are the choice in gang violence as well as stronger border enforcement. I've also bee quite vocal in my opposition to the US gun industry which is the source for most of the guns used by them.

I've seen a lot of complaining from you about why restrictions on guns are evil but I can't remember once seeing you discuss how we can keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Stricter regulations on lawful gun owners don't affect criminals. A handgun freeze or semi auto ban won't stop criminals from acquiring them; that's a pipe dream.

Existing laws should be enforced before making new ones, that will continue to have no effect. Criminals should actually have to pay for their crimes, but according to you and people like you, that's "racist".

 

[cunning linguist]

was it not also him that said “cars are necessary” but somehow magically didn’t see DUI in big bold letter????

Where's the booze registry?

"If it only saves one life...."

But if he wants to continue the car analogy, let me interject some anti-gun logic to illustrate the hypocrisy; no, cars aren't necessary; there's public transit, taxis and even Uber. "Leave it to the professionals." Isn't that what anti-gunners love saying?

How about another car analogy with anti-gun logic?

Automatic transmissions are a public safety risk as they facilitate distracted driving and other bad habits.

Or what about making interlock devices standard equipment on all vehicles? Having to blow clean before you can turn the engine over will ensure that drunk driving is impossible.

Or universal background checks for car sales; the seller is responsible for ensuring that the buyer is licensed, insured and has a clean driver's abstract before a potential deadly weapon can fall into the hands of the wrong person.

I can do this all day basketcase, are you sure you want to play this game?

 

[Not getting younger]

I am so tired of this. Tired of the “nothing”, tired of people with little knowledge..Tired of buried people. I’m just going to bury any one standing in the way of change. That is needed.

If you think the black market is limited to bangers don’t know what to say on that.
and on
And on
And on

I do know, know exactly what to say.

But first a “re-fresher”..

nd that's what's often lost in these discussions. Most people don't care about criminals killing criminals (except when they can use it to score political points).

Gang activity is something that most people don't do so it's not something that seems real to us

Jabe Creba
Fridays wife and mother or two
7 in the Eaton center
24 in Nova Scotia

33 (edited because some survived the EC) because nothing has been done about the problem. God knows how many children/parents in the hoods over 20 years. It’s a disgusting number. I know that much…How many smuggled guns have been used in robberies, against GFs and Wives (you know, because there a lot of buyers, that can’t own guns thanks to GC) I know it’s a ton……

Most people don’t care about bangers killing bangers. Gang activity is something most people don’t do (neither do legal gun owners btw) so it doesn’t seem real.

And that, that right there HAS been the other half of the problem for 20+ years. While “you guys fight for bans and more GC

chew on that.

 

[cunning linguist]

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So what are you saying, that a ban isn't happening, that I imagined the SECU, or the announcement of a handgun freeze?

 

[shack]

I’ve asked many times for years. For “solutions” supported by data. At this point anything.
And all you got is pie in the sky. And or deflections from the actual problem. See your last worthless reply…

Let’s hear yours…with support

That's easy.

Many rational people support the concept of reducing the number of guns in the general population.

I still haven't heard one from you, despite being asked. And finding all the reasons for people shooting others before any measures are taken, is a non-starter. That would take decades.

What is your solution, supported by data?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

That's easy.

Many rational people support the concept of reducing the number of guns in the general population.

I still haven't heard one from you, despite being asked. And finding all the reasons for people shooting others before any measures are taken, is a non-starter. That would take decades.

What is your solution, supported by data?

"Many rational people support the concept of reducing the number of guns in the general population."

While many others support the concept of reducing the number of the general population with guns.

 

[carvesg]

I’ve asked many times for years. For “solutions” supported by data. At this point anything.
And all you got is pie in the sky. And or deflections from the actual problem. See your last worthless reply…

Let’s hear yours…with support

Look at data during banned assault rifles and after Bush changed the law in the early 2000s . Specially the data about mass shootings.

Simple as a gun enthusiast as you are . Would you enter a building with doorways and multi directional hallways with a weapon AR-15 with an average length of 32.5 inches or a regular hunting semi automatic which average 42 to 44 inches ?

Most people who don't know the real reason why they are really favored by those deranged shooters . You know as I know why pointing and shooting with a short barrel around a blind corner it's so advantageous....or anyone who played cowboys and indians with real pellet guns as kids or any airsoft enthusiast these days know...

But at the end of the day all those stats are about mental illness which is never addressed in the US. Canada has a slightly better handle on it so far and we are not allowing the best tools for mass shootings to be readily available.

This thread should be split in two to discuss the US problem and another one for Canada as people keep interjecting about things that are not always relevant to one country or the other at times.

 

[Not getting younger]

That's easy.

Many rational people support the concept of reducing the number of guns in the general population.

I still haven't heard one from you, despite being asked. And finding all the reasons for people shooting others before any measures are taken, is a non-starter. That would take decades.

What is your solution, supported by data?

lol. Sure shack. That’s an idea with support that it’s going to work when the problem is Bangers and smuggling across the border. Fucking clueless. Do you have a hard time understanding that criminals don’t follow the law?

 

[Not getting younger]

Look at data during banned assault rifles and after Bush changed the law in the early 2000s . Specially the data about mass shootings.

Simple as a gun enthusiast as you are . Would you enter a building with doorways and multi directional hallways with a weapon AR-15 with an average length of 32.5 inches or a regular hunting semi automatic which average 42 to 44 inches ?

Most people who don't know the real reason why they are really favored by those deranged shooters . You know as I know why pointing and shooting with a short barrel around a blind corner it's so advantageous....or anyone who played cowboys and indians with real pellet guns as kids or any airsoft enthusiast these days know...

But at the end of the day all those stats are about mental illness which is never addressed in the US. Canada has a slightly better handle on it so far and we are not allowing the best tools for mass shootings to be readily available.

This thread should be split in two to discuss the US problem and another one for Canada as people keep interjecting about things that are not always relevant to one country or the other at times.

400 million firearms. And that’s just what they know……..You going to March on them? And yes short barreled rifles have advantages. What is their capacity and what is ours.

Gun enthusiast you are.
Given our capacity. What is far far far far deadlier,
.223
Or
12 gauge slugs that will drop cops in body armor let alone anything else are accurate out past 100 yards and have entry wounds the size of a dime vs a twig. . Didn’t think about that……did you.

Do you actually own guns?
Most gun owners I know know ballistics too. And that the reason they are favoured is rate of fire and capacity…..which here in Canada means Jack shit. Both are the same.

A 1 oz. (437.5 grain) 2 3/4-inch Foster 12 gauge shotgun slug achieves a velocity of approximately 1,560 fps (475 m/s) with a muzzle energy of 2,363 ft. lbs (3204 j

.223???
959 ft⋅lbf (1,300 J)

Are you a gun owner?

And I wish I could agree about split discussions. 20 years experience every single time something happens in the US….this is what happens. Canadians ultimately start howling for bans and more GC..

And with respect to anyone that actually understood firearms. Me, if I wanted to create a nightmare unseen before. I’d start with a larger shot, just obliterating the kids/teachers. And when Leo showed up I’d switch to the slugs. Start dropping outside the school. And then make them shit their pants once in the hallways, “behind” doors…
Mine I could if I wanted shorten the barrel length too.

And I am, so very tired of this.

 

[shack]

"Many rational people support the concept of reducing the number of guns in the general population."

While many others support the concept of reducing the number of the general population with guns.

I guess that's the corollary.

 

[shack]

lol. Sure shack. That’s an idea with support that it’s going to work when the problem is Bangers and smuggling across the border. Fucking clueless. Do you have a hard time understanding that criminals don’t follow the law?

Classic. Don't bother trying at all because it may not be perfect.

Please show us where guns have been banned in Canada but guns keep coming in by the millions and the number of gun deaths do not decrease.

It has never been attempted so you have no proof that your theory is correct. It is 100% speculation/theory/conjecture/hunch/guess on your part.
You do not know what will happen.

 

[Not getting younger]

Classic. Don't bother trying at all because it may not be perfect.

Please show us where guns have been banned in Canada but guns keep coming in by the millions and the number of gun deaths do not decrease.

It has never been attempted so you have no proof that your theory is correct. It is 100% speculation/theory/conjecture/hunch/guess on your part.
You do not know what will happen.

Nor do you shack.
What I can support my argument with is
400 million, minimum guns
And how have bans on Illicit drugs worked.

Don’t let logic twist your brain into knots.
What ya got shack. I’m all ears.

“don’t try at all”…
Right back at you…
Gangbangers. So meany dead, right front of your face. Almost weekly now.let alone human trafficking. Drugs…….
Our weak ass justice system…..

“good jobl” wasting 20 years

 

[basketcase]

Your so full of it Basketcase it’s not funny.
issue one. When hunters try to explain something to you…all you can do is no, you’re wrong why would a hunter rush a shot....

Thanks for admitting that the need for a semi-auto is only for a rushed shot.

Your best justification was to put your prey out of it's misery but even a hunter using a muzzle loader would have time to reload before checking the status of their shot. Your buddy's best example was if you were hired to eradicate wild pigs. I guess I've previously only talked to hunters who thought hitting what you aim for is more important than rapidly putting rounds downrange.

 

[basketcase]

Guns are much more heavily regulated than cars, if you think otherwise, you haven't been paying attention.

was it not also him that said “cars are necessary” but somehow magically didn’t see DUI in big bold letter????

It's funny that you bring up DUI because our laws make it easy to revoke the licence of someone convicted of it. Considering CL's adamant opposition to red flag laws, he should be against drunk drivers losing their licence.


And yes, guns should be more heavily regulated because their primary function is to kill. That's sort of the point. But yes, it is a massive bit of hypocritical thinking to claim that registering guns is evil but registration and insurance for cars is good.

 

[basketcase]

Stricter regulations on lawful gun owners don't affect criminals. A handgun freeze or semi auto ban won't stop criminals from acquiring them; that's a pipe dream.

Existing laws should be enforced before making new ones, that will continue to have no effect. Criminals should actually have to pay for their crimes, but according to you and people like you, that's "racist".

Except way too many mass shooters were legal gun owners until they weren't.

As I said, no handguns, better border security, and pressure on lax American gun laws are far better than nothing.

 

[basketcase]

...
24 in Nova Scotia
...

Are you now claiming the NS mass shooter was actually gang violence? Shit you really have lost the thread.

As I said, more 'innocent' Canadians have been killed in non-gang violence than from it.

 

[Not getting younger]

Hopeless.
I didn’t not say that, you just don’t have the reading comprehension. Again, trying to tell people that do…vs you whose experience around guns is getting drunk and that you know better…

DUI
If you stop picking your nose and losing what little grey matter you have left. You might realize that the references are to how that serious problem was handled. “Ban alcohol”….Einstein….go after responsible drivers,? You’ve completely missed that twice now…

NS
Guns smuggled from where?. Do you know much about the event???! Or do you just like looking stupid and flapping your lips…sorry keys…

so much more but, whats the point. You are way beyond reading anything. Why don’t you try that sometime instead of googling best guns and looking the fool.

you have no arguments, bring nothing. But…
/ignored

 

[barnacler]

The data from the 20th century is that countries with zero guns in the arms of private citizens suffered millions more casualties than from guns used in crimes by/against citizens to each other.

Look at data during banned assault rifles and after Bush changed the law in the early 2000s . Specially the data about mass shootings.

Simple as a gun enthusiast as you are . Would you enter a building with doorways and multi directional hallways with a weapon AR-15 with an average length of 32.5 inches or a regular hunting semi automatic which average 42 to 44 inches ?

Most people who don't know the real reason why they are really favored by those deranged shooters . You know as I know why pointing and shooting with a short barrel around a blind corner it's so advantageous....or anyone who played cowboys and indians with real pellet guns as kids or any airsoft enthusiast these days know...

But at the end of the day all those stats are about mental illness which is never addressed in the US. Canada has a slightly better handle on it so far and we are not allowing the best tools for mass shootings to be readily available.

This thread should be split in two to discuss the US problem and another one for Canada as people keep interjecting about things that are not always relevant to one country or the other at times.

.

 

[barnacler]

The data from the 20th century is that countries with zero guns in the arms of private citizens suffered millions more casualties than from guns used in crimes by/against citizens to each other.

Look at data during banned assault rifles and after Bush changed the law in the early 2000s . Specially the data about mass shootings.

Simple as a gun enthusiast as you are . Would you enter a building with doorways and multi directional hallways with a weapon AR-15 with an average length of 32.5 inches or a regular hunting semi automatic which average 42 to 44 inches ?

Most people who don't know the real reason why they are really favored by those deranged shooters . You know as I know why pointing and shooting with a short barrel around a blind corner it's so advantageous....or anyone who played cowboys and indians with real pellet guns as kids or any airsoft enthusiast these days know...

But at the end of the day all those stats are about mental illness which is never addressed in the US. Canada has a slightly better handle on it so far and we are not allowing the best tools for mass shootings to be readily available.

This thread should be split in two to discuss the US problem and another one for Canada as people keep interjecting about things that are not always relevant to one country or the other at times.

.

 

[shack]

Nor do you shack.
What I can support my argument with is
400 million, minimum guns

And how have bans on Illicit drugs worked.

How many mass druggings in public school have there been? How many mass druggings in synagogues? Whataboutism is a diversion. Another rabbit hole.

So you support your argument by stating how many guns there are? That proves absolutely nothing about whether less guns will have no effect.

If anything, that supports the argument that there are too many guns.

If there were zero guns, do you agree that there would be zero gun deaths? Not that I think that will ever happen but it makes sense.

Well, logic would dictate that if there only 200M guns there would be less gun deaths, not even necessarily 1/2 less. Do you believe that statement is correct or do you think that the number of gun deaths would be the same?