Andy Ngo is certainly a neutral, reputable source....
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Andy Ngo is certainly a neutral, reputable source....
He's actually trying to annoy people who are predisposed to dislike him and then film their reactions to him for his own self-aggrandizement.Yes, I see the pattern, but Chris is just trying to be a change agent, to help children.
It shouldn't be.Except I don't see anywhere that gender reassignment surgery is performed on adolescents.
Yes, this Sebastian Gorka. Very "credible" source for the likes of Mitchell!!He's actually trying to annoy people who are predisposed to dislike him and then film their reactions to him for his own self-aggrandizement.
Once again this is nothing about "hurting children"!!Looks like an insurrection to me that demands hurting children. What a bunch of pieces of shit.
How are the suicides being addressed, pray tell?Once again this is nothing about "hurting children"!!
It is about preventing this sad statistics among transgenders:
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Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors - PubMed
Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Yes high suicide and attempted suicides among transgenders. You should be thankful that the suicide rates are being addressed, after all how would you keep up with your hobbyist activity otherwise with fewer of these transexual individuals available?![]()
Well if the transphobia in this Thread was a carbon copy of what is taught in schools then expect the suicide rates to be even higher among children who are identifying themselves as transgenders. They should be made to be comfortable with their genders rather than some of the trans bashing in this thread. That transphobic dude is given a hero's status on this Board as well as with the likes of the far right Fox Lies Network!!How are the suicides being addressed, pray tell?
ROTFLMFAO!!! It has nothing to do with your fear of Fox and everything to do with the age of transition- the younger, the more likely to end up offing/hurting him/her self. You're pulling talking points out of your ass without realizing the harm you're causing. Just stop, take a break and educate yourself. Don't be a party to damaging the most vulnerable among us.Well if the transphobia in this Thread was a carbon copy of what is taught in schools then expect the suicide rates to be even higher among children who are identifying themselves as transgenders. They should be made to be comfortable with their genders rather than some of the trans bashing in this thread. That transphobic dude is given a hero's status on this Board as well as with the likes of the far right Fox Lies Network!!
Finally, somebody with some brains abut the subject and does more than screech, "I'm inclusive".Blanchard, Zucker, Littman.
Just sticking to the classics, I see.
... no Marchiano?
So let's see, since you don't bother to link to the studies, I'll provide them:
First:
"One study showed that, without social transition, nearly two-thirds of pre-teen gender-dysphoric males grow up to be gay or bisexual.
A University of Toronto study found that 63.6% of boys with early onset gender dysphoria, who received ‘watchful waiting’ treatment and no pre-pubertal social transition, grew up to be gay or bisexual.
Only 12% of the study participants continued to identify as transfeminine.
This would infer that Watchful Waiting is a FAR, FAR superior model than Affirmation right? "
Singh, D., Bradley, S.J. & Zucker, K.J. (2021). A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder. Frontiers in Psychology
As you can see if you read it, this study doesn't discuss "watchful waiting" at all. It also doesn't compare it to affirmation.
It looked at boys transitioning back in the late 80s and followed up to the early 2000s.
It even acknowledges that at the time, treatment was more focused on convincing children not to transition.
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So maybe don't oversell it.
Second:
After sex reassignment surgery, one study showed that adult transsexual clients were 4.9 times more likely to have made a suicide attempt and 19.1 times more likely to have died from suicide, after adjusting for prior psychiatric comorbidity
Zucker, K.J., Lawrence, A.A., Kreukels, B.P. (2016). Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu Rev Clin Psychol.
This is normally behind a paywall, but (unsurprisingly) you can find the pdf on sites like https://stoptransingkids.wordpress.com/. I found an open Sci-Hub link, though, so people can read it without the markups on the pdf. Those dramatic suicide numbers show up on page 227 (p.11) of the pdf. (You can also find it in the supplemental tables if you really want to follow it up.)
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As you can see, these numbers come from a study by Dhenje and their colleagues. You will also notice that I pointed out who the controls were in this study - the controls were people who did not suffer from GD. In other words, what this study found was that people who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery were 4.9 times more likely to have made a suicide attempt and 19.1 times more likely to have died from suicide than someone who didn't suffer from gender dysphoria.
So, since this was just a summary and I believe in primary sources, I went to see if I could find the Dhenje 2011 paper and it is right here:
Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., et. al. (2011). Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden, PLoS One.
(PMID: 21364939 / PMCID: PMC3043071 / DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0016885)
It's a longitudinal study, as described. And yes, the controls are correctly described as well - those numbers are in comparison to people matched from the general population.
Their argument is that as a study of general mortality and morbidity, it is reasonable to do that. Of course, this creates a limitation - and it is an important one, as they specify in the discussion.
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So, you know, it is kind of interesting that you framed it in a way to imply exactly that the treatment was causing the suicides.
Excited for the Littman. Maybe some Bailey? Some Laidlaw?
Ah yes because lets ignore the myriad other mental illnesses these children have and assume their troubles are solely due to the fact that they're transgender ...mainly because it politically aligns with your point of view.Well if the transphobia in this Thread was a carbon copy of what is taught in schools then expect the suicide rates to be even higher among children who are identifying themselves as transgenders. They should be made to be comfortable with their genders rather than some of the trans bashing in this thread. That transphobic dude is given a hero's status on this Board as well as with the likes of the far right Fox Lies Network!!
You are just posting all the BS from the far right and Fundamental websites that have a hatred for the existence of these individuals. The respectable sources want these transgender children to be more inclusive in their classes rather than mocked and teased in schools. Coming from a hypocrite like you who visits these transgender for your hobbyist activities and then throwing your support behind those who are vilifying them in this thread is really awful!!ROTFLMFAO!!! It has nothing to do with your fear of Fox and everything to do with the age of transition- the younger, the more likely to end up offing/hurting him/her self. You're pulling talking points out of your ass without realizing the harm you're causing. Just stop, take a break and educate yourself. Don't be a party to damaging the most vulnerable among us.
Your sentence makes zero sense. Expected from a far right individual like you!!Ah yes because less ignore the myriad other mental illnesses these child have and assume their troubles are solely due to the fact that they're transgender ...mainly because it politically aligns with your point of view.
Do you always make your illiteracy other people's problem? How do you put your pants on in the morning?Your sentence makes zero sense. Expected from a far right individual like you!!
You are just a dumb one who pretends that he knows it all!!Do you always make your illiteracy other people's problem? How do you put your pants on in the morning?
I visit ADULT, well established trannies that I make sure are not wards of the chemical establishment. You and your disgusting lefty child abusers are offering "transitions " to kids who cannot make ANY informed decisions because they are incapable of understanding the concepts nor can they give consent. Instead, their brainless parents on the advise of the politicized medical establishment put kids on puberty blockers and subject them to the irreversible surgical procedures. Of course it's not all bad. People who are that evil and clueless don't deserve their lines to continue. ROTFLMFAO!! Those kids can't consent to have a tattoo, but cut off their cock? Pass the scalpel, nurse!You are just posting all the BS from the far right and Fundamental websites that have a hatred for the existence of these individuals. The respectable sources want these transgender children to be more inclusive in their classes rather than mocked and teased in schools. Coming from a hypocrite like you who visits these transgender for your hobbyist activities and then throwing your support behind those who are vilifying them in this thread is really awful!!
Nah, you just don't like to be exposed to ideas different from yours. No doubt you get overwhelmed easilyYou are just a dumb one who pretends that he knows it all!!![]()
Obviously, you are following too many far right websites based on some Republicans like MTG who are posting transphobic content, that the far right seems to love:I visit ADULT, well established trannies that I make sure are not wards of the chemical establishment. You and your disgusting lefty child abusers are offering "transitions " to kids who cannot make ANY informed decisions because they are incapable of understanding the concepts nor can they give consent. Instead, their brainless parents on the advise of the politicized medical establishment put kids on puberty blockers and subject them to the irreversible surgical procedures. Of course it's not all bad. People who are that evil and clueless don't deserve their lines to continue. ROTFLMFAO!! Those kids can't consent to have a tattoo, but cut off their cock? Pass the scalpel, nurse!
You didn't respond to my comment. Please re read what I wrote and try to answer it.It shouldn't be.
Give it a rest and return to Trump. Leave serious conversations to serious people.Obviously, you are following too many far right websites based on some Republicans like MTG who are posting transphobic content, that the far right seems to love:
Those on the far right like you think that these transexuals that you regularly see are for just one purpose!! These are the ones that have either gone through suicidal patches or committed suicides due to non inclusivity in societies, thanks to the likes of Far right idiots like MTG, that have mocked them through all the stages of their lives. These vast, vast majority of these children are not going to change their transgender identities. But who is espousing for them to be abused into transition in their childhoods like you falsely claim? This has already been debunked:
Fact check: False claim about Boston Children's Hospital's transgender care program
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Fact check: False claim about Boston Children's Hospital's transgender care program
You must be 18 years old with notes from a doctor and two mental health professionals to qualify for a hysterectomy at Boston Children's Hospital.www.usatoday.com
Such bullshit was used by the Republicans during the question time. Jeez and you still go on and on about it!!
Since when have you been part of a "Serious Conversation"?Give it a rest and return to Trump. Leave serious conversations to serious people.
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Kid gender guidelines not driven by science
Desperate for answers, parents are turning to the experts: the doctors, psychologists, and professional organizations devoted to diagnosing and treating gender dysphoria.nypost.com