Its offical : Transphobia is here to stay!

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Looks like an insurrection to me that demands hurting children. What a bunch of pieces of shit.
Once again this is nothing about "hurting children"!!

It is about preventing this sad statistics among transgenders:


Yes high suicide and attempted suicides among transgenders. You should be thankful that the suicide rates are being addressed, after all how would you keep up with your hobbyist activity otherwise with fewer of these transexual individuals available? 😊
 
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Once again this is nothing about "hurting children"!!

It is about preventing this sad statistics among transgenders:


Yes high suicide and attempted suicides among transgenders. You should be thankful that the suicide rates are being addressed, after all how would you keep up with your hobbyist activity otherwise with fewer of these transexual individuals available? 😊
How are the suicides being addressed, pray tell?
 

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How are the suicides being addressed, pray tell?
Well if the transphobia in this Thread was a carbon copy of what is taught in schools then expect the suicide rates to be even higher among children who are identifying themselves as transgenders. They should be made to be comfortable with their genders rather than some of the trans bashing in this thread. That transphobic dude is given a hero's status on this Board as well as with the likes of the far right Fox Lies Network!!
 
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Well if the transphobia in this Thread was a carbon copy of what is taught in schools then expect the suicide rates to be even higher among children who are identifying themselves as transgenders. They should be made to be comfortable with their genders rather than some of the trans bashing in this thread. That transphobic dude is given a hero's status on this Board as well as with the likes of the far right Fox Lies Network!!
ROTFLMFAO!!! It has nothing to do with your fear of Fox and everything to do with the age of transition- the younger, the more likely to end up offing/hurting him/her self. You're pulling talking points out of your ass without realizing the harm you're causing. Just stop, take a break and educate yourself. Don't be a party to damaging the most vulnerable among us.
 
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Blanchard, Zucker, Littman.

Just sticking to the classics, I see.

... no Marchiano?

So let's see, since you don't bother to link to the studies, I'll provide them:

First:
"One study showed that, without social transition, nearly two-thirds of pre-teen gender-dysphoric males grow up to be gay or bisexual.
A University of Toronto study found that 63.6% of boys with early onset gender dysphoria, who received ‘watchful waiting’ treatment and no pre-pubertal social transition, grew up to be gay or bisexual.
Only 12% of the study participants continued to identify as transfeminine.
This would infer that Watchful Waiting is a FAR, FAR superior model than Affirmation right? "

Singh, D., Bradley, S.J. & Zucker, K.J. (2021). A Follow-Up Study of Boys With Gender Identity Disorder. Frontiers in Psychology

As you can see if you read it, this study doesn't discuss "watchful waiting" at all. It also doesn't compare it to affirmation.
It looked at boys transitioning back in the late 80s and followed up to the early 2000s.

It even acknowledges that at the time, treatment was more focused on convincing children not to transition.

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So maybe don't oversell it.

Second:

After sex reassignment surgery, one study showed that adult transsexual clients were 4.9 times more likely to have made a suicide attempt and 19.1 times more likely to have died from suicide, after adjusting for prior psychiatric comorbidity
Zucker, K.J., Lawrence, A.A., Kreukels, B.P. (2016). Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu Rev Clin Psychol.

This is normally behind a paywall, but (unsurprisingly) you can find the pdf on sites like https://stoptransingkids.wordpress.com/. I found an open Sci-Hub link, though, so people can read it without the markups on the pdf. Those dramatic suicide numbers show up on page 227 (p.11) of the pdf. (You can also find it in the supplemental tables if you really want to follow it up.)

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As you can see, these numbers come from a study by Dhenje and their colleagues. You will also notice that I pointed out who the controls were in this study - the controls were people who did not suffer from GD. In other words, what this study found was that people who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery were 4.9 times more likely to have made a suicide attempt and 19.1 times more likely to have died from suicide than someone who didn't suffer from gender dysphoria.

So, since this was just a summary and I believe in primary sources, I went to see if I could find the Dhenje 2011 paper and it is right here:
Dhejne, C., Lichtenstein, P., Boman, M., et. al. (2011). Long-term follow-up of transsexual persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden, PLoS One.
(PMID: 21364939 / PMCID: PMC3043071 / DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0016885)

It's a longitudinal study, as described. And yes, the controls are correctly described as well - those numbers are in comparison to people matched from the general population.
Their argument is that as a study of general mortality and morbidity, it is reasonable to do that. Of course, this creates a limitation - and it is an important one, as they specify in the discussion.

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So, you know, it is kind of interesting that you framed it in a way to imply exactly that the treatment was causing the suicides.

Excited for the Littman. Maybe some Bailey? Some Laidlaw?
Finally, somebody with some brains abut the subject and does more than screech, "I'm inclusive".

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Well....yes! No shit. That is the purpose of clinical treatment for mental illness. The assumption that Affirmation is superior to watchful waiting is odd. It's new and the tide is turning back to Watchful Waiting. Too bad you're on the wrong side of history.

"It even acknowledges that at the time, treatment was more focused on convincing children not to transition."
Of course it was. Given that many desist and/or destransition, this was the proper clinical approach before WPATH went off the deep end.


Now this part that you think is important is HILARIOUS!
"the controls were people who did not suffer from GD. In other words, what this study found was that people who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery <snip> than someone who didn't suffer from gender dysphoria. "
Yes, yes, the didn't have GD but YET THEY HAD UNDERGONE SEX-REASSIGNMENT SURGURY. Really? I guess they thought they were the opposite sex why? Wait, because they were Transsexuals. Huh. AGP right? Let's get bottom surgery for Laughs and giggles?

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As for this part, yes. The context is that transexuals suffer from Mental Illness at a far, far greater rate that standard population. Thank-you for reiterating my point about the results from Tavistock on the UK.

"So, you know, it is kind of interesting that you framed it in a way to imply exactly that the treatment was causing the suicides."
I did no such thing. Those are your words because you're able to make a cogent argument without straw-manning.

As for Littman, I'm hoping that you'll go on and on about how her ROGD study was withdrawn (yet ignore that it was later accepted with only minor changes). Didn't bite?,


By Bailey, I assume you're referring to Dr. Michael J. Bailey who published a recent paper titled, "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases"

Quick summary
"Notable findings in line with past studies show that adolescent-onset gender dysphoria disproportionately affects females, with the sample showing 75 percent females versus 25 percent males.
These young people had high rates of coexisting mental health issues, with 42 percent having a formal mental health diagnosis. The parents reported that, on average, the child’s mental health issues had started nearly 4 years before the onset of gender dysphoria. The most common issues were depression, anxiety, self harm, and “difficulty socializing with peers.”
Youth with mental health issues were observed to be far more likely to have socially or medically transitioned, which Bailey and Diaz state “is concerning because youth with mental health issues may be especially likely to lack judgment necessary to make these important, and in the case of medical transition permanent, decisions.”

Huh, who knew social contagion was a thing?
 
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Well if the transphobia in this Thread was a carbon copy of what is taught in schools then expect the suicide rates to be even higher among children who are identifying themselves as transgenders. They should be made to be comfortable with their genders rather than some of the trans bashing in this thread. That transphobic dude is given a hero's status on this Board as well as with the likes of the far right Fox Lies Network!!
Ah yes because lets ignore the myriad other mental illnesses these children have and assume their troubles are solely due to the fact that they're transgender ...mainly because it politically aligns with your point of view.
 
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ROTFLMFAO!!! It has nothing to do with your fear of Fox and everything to do with the age of transition- the younger, the more likely to end up offing/hurting him/her self. You're pulling talking points out of your ass without realizing the harm you're causing. Just stop, take a break and educate yourself. Don't be a party to damaging the most vulnerable among us.
You are just posting all the BS from the far right and Fundamental websites that have a hatred for the existence of these individuals. The respectable sources want these transgender children to be more inclusive in their classes rather than mocked and teased in schools. Coming from a hypocrite like you who visits these transgender for your hobbyist activities and then throwing your support behind those who are vilifying them in this thread is really awful!!
 

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Ah yes because less ignore the myriad other mental illnesses these child have and assume their troubles are solely due to the fact that they're transgender ...mainly because it politically aligns with your point of view.
Your sentence makes zero sense. Expected from a far right individual like you!!
 

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You are just posting all the BS from the far right and Fundamental websites that have a hatred for the existence of these individuals. The respectable sources want these transgender children to be more inclusive in their classes rather than mocked and teased in schools. Coming from a hypocrite like you who visits these transgender for your hobbyist activities and then throwing your support behind those who are vilifying them in this thread is really awful!!
I visit ADULT, well established trannies that I make sure are not wards of the chemical establishment. You and your disgusting lefty child abusers are offering "transitions " to kids who cannot make ANY informed decisions because they are incapable of understanding the concepts nor can they give consent. Instead, their brainless parents on the advise of the politicized medical establishment put kids on puberty blockers and subject them to the irreversible surgical procedures. Of course it's not all bad. People who are that evil and clueless don't deserve their lines to continue. ROTFLMFAO!! Those kids can't consent to have a tattoo, but cut off their cock? Pass the scalpel, nurse!
 
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I visit ADULT, well established trannies that I make sure are not wards of the chemical establishment. You and your disgusting lefty child abusers are offering "transitions " to kids who cannot make ANY informed decisions because they are incapable of understanding the concepts nor can they give consent. Instead, their brainless parents on the advise of the politicized medical establishment put kids on puberty blockers and subject them to the irreversible surgical procedures. Of course it's not all bad. People who are that evil and clueless don't deserve their lines to continue. ROTFLMFAO!! Those kids can't consent to have a tattoo, but cut off their cock? Pass the scalpel, nurse!
Obviously, you are following too many far right websites based on some Republicans like MTG who are posting transphobic content, that the far right seems to love:


Those on the far right like you think that these transexuals that you regularly see are for just one purpose!! These are the ones that have either gone through suicidal patches or committed suicides due to non inclusivity in societies, thanks to the likes of Far right idiots like MTG, that have mocked them through all the stages of their lives. These vast, vast majority of these children are not going to change their transgender identities. But who is espousing for them to be abused into transition in their childhoods like you falsely claim? This has already been debunked:

Fact check: False claim about Boston Children's Hospital's transgender care program


Such bullshit was used by the Republicans during the question time. Jeez and you still go on and on about it!!
 

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Obviously, you are following too many far right websites based on some Republicans like MTG who are posting transphobic content, that the far right seems to love:


Those on the far right like you think that these transexuals that you regularly see are for just one purpose!! These are the ones that have either gone through suicidal patches or committed suicides due to non inclusivity in societies, thanks to the likes of Far right idiots like MTG, that have mocked them through all the stages of their lives. These vast, vast majority of these children are not going to change their transgender identities. But who is espousing for them to be abused into transition in their childhoods like you falsely claim? This has already been debunked:

Fact check: False claim about Boston Children's Hospital's transgender care program


Such bullshit was used by the Republicans during the question time. Jeez and you still go on and on about it!!
Give it a rest and return to Trump. Leave serious conversations to serious people.

 
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Give it a rest and return to Trump. Leave serious conversations to serious people.

Since when have you been part of a "Serious Conversation"?

Let us look at the red facts and from the horse's mouth - Boston Children's Hospital:

Gender dysphoria occurs when there is a conflict between the gender you were assigned at birth and the gender with which you identity. This can create significant distress, and you may feel uncomfortable in your body. The Center for Gender Surgery at Boston Children's Hospital offers gender affirmation surgery services to eligible adolescents and young adults who are ready to take this step in their journey. It is the first center of its kind in the U.S. in a major pediatric hospital setting.
Our approach to gender surgery
As the first pediatric center in the country dedicated to the surgical care of transgender patients, we take an interdisciplinary approach from the start to ensure exceptional patient care. Our skilled team includes specialists in plastic surgery, urology, endocrinology, nursing, gender management, and social work, who collaborate to provide a full suite of surgical options for transgender teens and young adults. Our experienced anesthesia team works to provide culturally sensitive care to the gender-diverse community. By partnering with the hospital's nationally recognized Gender Management Service (GeMS), which provides a range of medical options for transgender youth, we help young people with gender identity concerns transfer seamlessly to surgical care if and when they are ready.

The center currently offers vaginoplasty, metoidioplasty, phalloplasty, chest reconstruction, breast augmentation, facial harmonization and other gender affirmation surgeries to eligible patients. We are guided by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards and other criteria to surgically treat people who are stable in their gender identity and have documentation of persistent gender dysphoria. You do not need to be a GeMS patient to have surgery at the center. All genital surgeries are only performed on patients age 18 and older.

Our areas of innovation in gender surgery
The Center's setting in an academic medical center means that our clinicians are able to benefit from Boston Children's rich community of scientific and clinical resources. As the Center grows, we hope to further expand our understanding of gender concerns and surgical techniques by leading and participating in various research projects. Our areas of interest include access improvements to gender-affirming surgery, fertility intentions and concerns of transgender young adults, and educational interventions regarding post-surgical self-care.


So for once let us go with the real facts and NOT your usual biased far right media!!
 
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