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You can split hairs all you want... Canada and America wouldn't exist without guns.
World Wars were fought with BIG guns. The entire modern world was shaped and formed by guns. Before guns existed the world was shaped by other weapons.
It's how geopolitics works.
Nations obtained power because they had better armies than other nations (i.e. more and better guns and people that know how to use them).
You're so detached from how and why you live the way you do. It's a symptom of luxury and excess that you can gleefully remain so ignorant.
The foundation of everything you enjoy is based on weapons, the threat of weapons, conquest, bloodshed... ultimately guns.
You don't conquer people with words alone.
You conquer them because you have the ability to enforce those words... and you do that with guns (or bombs or whatever other killing tool available).
Actually its not, Your live made possible by the guns. Its quite possible the Nazis could be ruling the world right now had it not been because of the soldiers of the allies and their weapons
On a smaller scale, this is what happens when guns (i.e. law enforcement) are removed from the equation:
You can't stop people from robbing local stores and destroying entire communities with words. They must fear getting arrested, spending time in jail, having a criminal record... all backed by men in blue... who have guns.
You can't stop people from robbing local stores and destroying entire communities with words. They must fear getting arrested, spending time in jail, having a criminal record... all backed by men in blue... who have guns.
Whatever you say, attributing every single development to "guns" is reductive. Was there no diplomacy? Were there no soldiers killed by knives? Its a simplistic argument.
And secondly that has nothing to do with gun violence today.
The colonists slaughtered the natives. Hitler was killed and the Yanks dropped a nuke on Japan. To which diplomacy are you referring to? The founding of the United States has everything to do with the gun violence today. It's called the 2nd amendment . They fought for their independence from the British. It goes to the core of who they are and how they were founded
okay so guns are a part of their cousin-fucking redneck culture. Gotcha.
But maybe, just maybe, if not for NRA corrupting the politicians, measures could/should have been taken so that culture could be changed? They used to kill gays, but does it always have to be that way?
As usual we have the misinformation from the far right media:
We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states
For the last two years, the nation has been awash in news accounts about soaring violent crime and murder in cities and states run by Democrats. That narrative is ubiquitous, particularly in conservative media, where Democratic mayors are routinely called out and excoriated for turning a blind eye to crime. That story is half right and half — to be charitable — lazy and wrong.
Let’s dispatch with the part that is correct. We have a murder problem in America, with homicides up sharply in recent years reversing long-term trends. In addition, many cities with Democratic mayors and governors have experienced dramatic murder spikes.
Now, for the rest of the story. In a report Third Way recently released, we found that murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states. That’s right. In 2020, homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.
Mississippi — a state that neither conjures up weak on crime images nor Democratic officeholders — topped the charts with a 2020 murder rate twice that of blue Illinois, thrice that of bluer California, and four times that of bluest New York. The red states of Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri rounded out the top five and each had murder rates at least six times Massachusetts, four times New Jersey and just shy of twice that of Michigan. These blue states are home to the “crime-is-out-of-control” cities you read about daily — Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Newark and Detroit. They generate the headlines, the outrage and the political backlash.
Yet, media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year.
And to top it off, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) Bakersfield, the largest city in Kern County and one with a Republican mayor — with overwhelming Trump support and not a whiff of flirtation with defund the police movements. In fact, the murder capital of California for six years running is sleepy Kern County, 130 miles from Los Angeles and 306 miles from San Francisco, the two California locales most often associated with the crime-is-out-of-control national headlines that have dominated U.S. crime and political coverage.
The causes for crime and murder are complicated and intersectional and so is its relationship to political party. Since four out of five murders are by firearms, higher homicide rates tend to be in places with extensive gun ownership. Meanwhile, firearms purchases have exploded with Americans purchasing an unprecedented 80 million guns in the last two years. Add to that gun owning households are twice as likely to be Republicans. Taken together, this could conceivably explain some of the bias toward more lethal crime in red states.
Mostly, however, crime is ripe for another type of bias: toward demagoguery. The Senate confirmation hearings for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson were punctuated with GOP attacks labeling her soft on crime despite endorsements from the Fraternal Order of Police and nation’s police chiefs. Ironically, some of the most outrageous attacks came from Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), who represent states with murder rates among the worst in the nation.
This underscores that there is rarely a national crime discussion in America that is civil, inquisitive and holistic. And that is what makes the media slant that focuses almost exclusively on urban blue state crime as inexplicable and frustrating as it is lazy and off.
If the yardstick is homicide, Republicans do a far better job of talking about stopping crime than actually stopping it — and it seems much of the press seems to buy it.
thehill.com
We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states
For the last two years, the nation has been awash in news accounts about soaring violent crime and murder in cities and states run by Democrats. That narrative is ubiquitous, particularly in conservative media, where Democratic mayors are routinely called out and excoriated for turning a blind eye to crime. That story is half right and half — to be charitable — lazy and wrong.
Let’s dispatch with the part that is correct. We have a murder problem in America, with homicides up sharply in recent years reversing long-term trends. In addition, many cities with Democratic mayors and governors have experienced dramatic murder spikes.
Now, for the rest of the story. In a report Third Way recently released, we found that murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states. That’s right. In 2020, homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.
Mississippi — a state that neither conjures up weak on crime images nor Democratic officeholders — topped the charts with a 2020 murder rate twice that of blue Illinois, thrice that of bluer California, and four times that of bluest New York. The red states of Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri rounded out the top five and each had murder rates at least six times Massachusetts, four times New Jersey and just shy of twice that of Michigan. These blue states are home to the “crime-is-out-of-control” cities you read about daily — Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Boston, Newark and Detroit. They generate the headlines, the outrage and the political backlash.
Yet, media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year.
And to top it off, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) Bakersfield, the largest city in Kern County and one with a Republican mayor — with overwhelming Trump support and not a whiff of flirtation with defund the police movements. In fact, the murder capital of California for six years running is sleepy Kern County, 130 miles from Los Angeles and 306 miles from San Francisco, the two California locales most often associated with the crime-is-out-of-control national headlines that have dominated U.S. crime and political coverage.
The causes for crime and murder are complicated and intersectional and so is its relationship to political party. Since four out of five murders are by firearms, higher homicide rates tend to be in places with extensive gun ownership. Meanwhile, firearms purchases have exploded with Americans purchasing an unprecedented 80 million guns in the last two years. Add to that gun owning households are twice as likely to be Republicans. Taken together, this could conceivably explain some of the bias toward more lethal crime in red states.
Mostly, however, crime is ripe for another type of bias: toward demagoguery. The Senate confirmation hearings for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson were punctuated with GOP attacks labeling her soft on crime despite endorsements from the Fraternal Order of Police and nation’s police chiefs. Ironically, some of the most outrageous attacks came from Sens. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) and Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), who represent states with murder rates among the worst in the nation.
This underscores that there is rarely a national crime discussion in America that is civil, inquisitive and holistic. And that is what makes the media slant that focuses almost exclusively on urban blue state crime as inexplicable and frustrating as it is lazy and off.
If the yardstick is homicide, Republicans do a far better job of talking about stopping crime than actually stopping it — and it seems much of the press seems to buy it.
We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states
Amid a spike in violence, murder was much more prevalent in red states than blue states.
thehill.com
I live in Florida for 9 months of the year. They think differently when it comes to guns. They strongly believe that it's their right to own guns and this is just another issue of the government controlling them. It's not just the rednecks, look at black and gang culture. There are also a lot of gun owners who are Democrats and there are just as many guns in blue states as there are in red states, Even when the Democrats had the house and senate they couldn't do anything because they couldn't get enough votes from their own party.
Key facts about Americans and guns
About six-in-ten U.S. adults (58%) favor stricter gun laws. Another 26% say that U.S. gun laws are about right, while 15% favor less strict gun laws.
www.pewresearch.org
I agree it has roots in their history and culture if that is the point you are trying to make.
But modern problems need to be dealt with based on the realities of today. Nobody thought that there would be people shooting up kids in schools when they wrote the 2nd amendment did they?
No they didn't or the type of weapons available to citizens today, but that doesn't matter to them. They have this thing about freedom and liberty and take it very seriously. They don't trust their government and see guns as their only line of defense. They are willing to sacrifice the few for the good of the many. I maybe wrong but don't you live there?
I wish all of them came to that line of defence and brought all their guns and have that battle against their government. And we would not hear about gun problem ever again.
I used to. And I understand all these arguments. But my point is that they are insane to not even want to allow sane gun laws. I know my call to ban and confiscate is never going to happen. But that is just my personal recommendation because every country where there was a mass shooting and confiscated weapons, has not had a further mass shooting. But the rhetoric about freedom and liberty being tied to guns is the work of the NRA and the gun lobby. Its insane!
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