Perhaps we really didn't need to do this again.
Justin was right after all
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He admitted that about a specific case. I literally gave you an article that predates the one where this "admission" comes from where he's talking about it. Or are your suggesting he has a time machine?
The RCMP has been tasked with looking into the Chinese police stations, foreigners convicted of espionage are deported, part of the CSEs mandate is to after overseas posting farms and their annual reports indicate they have been, social media sites aren't based on Canada so Canada has no authority to make laws about them, foreign donations are already being tracked and part of the task force and the panel's job is to look into them.
The mechanisms you say you want exist. Some of in place by Trudeau himself years ago. If that's the start and you're still upset, what's next? Or will you admit you lack an understanding of Canada's intelligence apparatus? Feel free to check out the mandates for CSIS, CSE and GAC as a beginning point.
Well it appears they aren't using them.
And thats why he is scared of a non partisan public inquiry.
And now you're a mind-reader. I gave you evidence, you've twisted and ignored it, and now you've got ESP apparently. I'm not wasting anymore time.
one does not need to be a mind reader to understand how the fool Justin Trudeau thinks
1. it would be a short read
2. his actions have repeatedly shown he prioritizes his political ambitions over his responsibilities to Canadians
3. his ethics are determined by his perception of how any issue can be spun to the media >>>> hence the uncalled for gifts of millions to the media
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There was a violent armed faction with demands to forcibly remove the PM from office.
( you obviously know something the rest of us dont)
Also FYI, not even in comunist Russia did the government even once freeze common folks bank accounts for being a party to a protest against it.
Keep supporting this neoliberal madness and soon you will have installed shit detectors at your stall to mrssure the density of your crap in order to make sure you only ever eat Liberal labeled shit.
More word today from the CBC that 11 candidates had money funneled to them from the PRC consulate. And the PM was told about it.
Don't you want to know who they were?
Unhinged is used way to frequently, but this might be an appropriate time to drop this. What the hell are you talking about? You realize the Russias (and Nazis) didn't have to freeze bank accounts. They just disappeared critics. Did that happen to the Free-Dumb convoys?
As for the violent and armed protesters, what happened at Coutts?
Police Make ‘Freedom Convoy’ Arrests, Find Guns, Body Armour, and Machete
Alberta RCMP say they've found and arrested a group of hardcore protesters at the “trucker” border blockade in Alberta who were armed to the teeth and ready for violence.
www.vice.com
So, while there might not have been firearms in Ottawa, their expressed goal was to have the Governor General kick Trudeau out of office and negotiate with them for a new government...which is basically the opposite of what happens in our democracy. That isn't hyperbole, that was the stated aim when this thing started over a year ago.
The media are reporting that they have seen a CSIS report claiming there were 11. Has CSIS confirmed? Trudeau says he isn't aware. But there is an investigation into it.
So yes, if it's true I would indeed like to know. If it's not true though, then there's nothing to tell. Are you saying your faith in the media is so strong that they're never be wrong?
CBC is one I tend to trust when they criticize the government. They are biting the hand that feeds them so have zero to gain.
I didn't say lying, I said wrong. The CBC can report on a document they haven't seen in good faith and still be wrong.
CBC reported there's an investigation into it. It sounds, however, like you want to skip investigation and jump straight to judgement and condemnation. Yeah. I'm not getting on that bandwagon.
Your words not mineUnhinged is used way to frequently, but this might be an appropriate time to drop this. What the hell are you talking about? You realize the Russias (and Nazis) didn't have to freeze bank accounts. They just disappeared critics. Did that happen to the Free-Dumb convoys?
As for the violent and armed protesters, what happened at Coutts?
Police Make ‘Freedom Convoy’ Arrests, Find Guns, Body Armour, and Machete
Alberta RCMP say they've found and arrested a group of hardcore protesters at the “trucker” border blockade in Alberta who were armed to the teeth and ready for violence.
So, while there might not have been firearms in Ottawa, their expressed goal was to have the Governor General kick Trudeau out of office and negotiate with them for a new government...which is basically the opposite of what happens in our democracy. That isn't hyperbole, that was the stated aim when this thing started over a year ago.
"There was a violent armed faction with demands to forcibly remove the PM from office."
And than you go to say
"So, while there might not have been firearms in Ottawa"
You are so full of your own shit, and as typycal Libtard dont care about anyone elses well being or opinion, since guess what it is everyone else around you that is dumb and ignorant.
When the investigation is kept out of the public eye yes. I will ask questions and want answers. That is the point. Trudeau at first said there isn't aproblem, now suddenly we need a special Rapporteur. But no need for the public?
Sorry, this involves money from the PRC. In an election. It must be public.
As I said. The CBC must have something. Its too big not to have a lot of due diligence. And the government would lie.
When the CBC posed pressing question to Pee Pee Poilievre, he condemned them as "biased" and refused to answer their questions. So, we should trust the CBC when they try to dig the truth out of the opposition as well!!
Most investigations are kept out of the public's eyes. The results are then made available to the public. There's good reason for this: the public likes to jump to conclusions and that often has massive ramifications.
The problem is you are acting entitled to information before an investigation is complete after demonstrating you have a bias to accept a specific conclusion.
*sigh* This again. You seem to be having a hard time keeping things straight. There are three topics been discussed. The first is the suspected interference in which up to11 politicians may have recieved funds. The second is the case of one politician definitely getting funds. The third is the issue of interference at large. You seem to be taking comments about the first and second second and applying them to the third. That's hardly accurate or fair.
The intelligence report about the second case, the specific instances of 1 candidate receiving PRC funds, indicated it had no significant impact on the outcome and that is what Trudeau was quoting. He did not say election interference in general we not a concern. In fact, he has been saying, for years, that it is. If, as you claim, he said it's not a concern, why would he have formed a task force to look into it and established a policy and committee to handle it?
The special investigation being undertaken more with a rapporteur is in regards to the first case, looking into the suspected 11 cases. Of those we have heard very little.
So again: the known case where a specific politician recieved funds has been reported by the intelligence committee to have had no effect on the outcome, and Trudeau relaying that this is what the intelligence committee said is not the same as him saying interference doesn't matter. The forming of a new committee to investigate the 11 is, essentially, what you said many many posts ago you wanted him to do. The others things you said many many posts again that you wanted him to do he had already done years ago when he first began openly discussing election interference.
So no, he never said election interference wasn't important, save he's done everything you said you wanted him to do. Until now, when you've changed your tune and decided the investigation needs to be public. But that wasn't in your initial list of things you wanted done, which makes this sound like you just won't be happy with this and will keep moving the goal post.
Why "must"? As soon as the politicians are named, people like you will condemn them, and even if the investigation later concludes it was false, it may be too late. If your were suspected of a crime, that investigation wouldn't be public either. Why should this? Because it involves the PRC? Why is the PRC special?
They literally don't have to do due diligence. Have you not read the articles? "According to a document from..." It isn't even a CBC story, they're citing Global News who broke the story in November. It would be Global who would have needed to do due diligence, but again citing a report, if that report exists, is still journalism. I have no doubt Global has seen the document or has substantial information that it exists and says what they claimed it does. But again, just because the media is reporting it doesn't mean it's true. It's very possible the report is wrong.
Why aren't you upset at Global or CBC for not making this document and it's source public if you're so convinced the public should know? Better yet, any idea why they haven't? I have an idea: they don't want to expose information that may be harmful to National Security unless it's verified by the very investigation that's underway.
Governments lie all the time. What's strange, though, as that you seem to forget that this report came from the government. The media is reporting on a document prepared by a government agency for the government, and you're so convinced this this government report is valid you want to expose everyone involved before an investigation is conducted and your argument for that is your don't trust the government.
You trust the media here and argue the government will lie about the truth, and yet the media you trust got the information from the government that you claim are liars. Do you not see the insanity here?
Um. What are all these intelligence reports but in fact investigations? They HAVE THE INFORMATION. Why do they need another political hack to look at it?
Release the information.
It's easy to criticize in hindsight. But after they found firearms and body armour at the Coutts protest, who knows what the folks in Ottawa had. I will admit, I was a tad hyperbolic about the violent part...they didn't appear to physically harm anyone, just harass and intimidate local residents while keeping them on edge by blasting airhorns at all hours of the day.
But, at the end of the day, an independent review said the government was justified in using the Emergency Act. Did innocent people get caught up in it? Probably. The powers it gives is sort of a blunt instrument. But, the bigger issue is, why did the conservative government of Doug Ford sit on his hands and do nothing? If he showed leadership right from the get-go, sending the OPP to back up the Ottawa police, this probably could have been averted and never have required the Emergency Act.
Finally, I do care about others and their opinions. It's only the dumb and ignorant that cannot show any empathy for what happened. While I felt the Freedom Convoy was....well....misplaced, I understood what was behind it. Nobody liked COVID. It was an unprecedented public health crisis that we haven't seen since probably 1918 and the so-called Spanish Flu. But there was so much misinformation or conspiracy theories about it all that has led to impotent rage and unreasonable behaviour. It appears to me that you just want to slam Trudeau (and lord knows he is far from perfect, he could have handled this better as well) regardless of what actually was going on. It comes off like how Tucker Carlson is trying to show the January 6th insurrection wasn't that big of a deal, trying to mitigate the damning evidence of what actually happened by cherry picking a few camera angles that show peaceful crowds....
To all Honesty i dont care for Trudeau, actually Liberals/NDP or the CONSERVATIVES, my beleif is that they are all a bunch of 2 faced slimy motherfuckers, that have put the ppl of this country at eachothers throats, while working closely together in order to undermine this country.
Only proof I have is that every government we have had in the last 40 uears has done so.ething or the other tl fuck us royaly.
Now as someone who was there in the bitter cold, I personally saw the little show with confederate flags and it was pathetic atempt by a third party a failed false flag opp, someone had fun with that one.
You say intimidating, the only thing intimidating out there were the threats that he acted on at the end by the prime minister, otherwise it was more or less a family picnic.
All this said do i beleive this was random, a ppls protest, no I do not it was organised and financed, most likley by the conservatives, no protest anywhere in the world is random, and it just happens, there are always leaders, and those leaders get money from somwhere for the food, logistics, shitters etc...
Protests were anti Trudeau and mainly anti lockdown and COVID 19 is a nasty disease that unfortunately there is no cure for and the Vaccination Nazziiiss did little to curb it. It is still around by the way, just iy is old we are waiting for a new and hip thing for the TV masters to jump on.
