Jordan Peterson says Ontario psychologist licence may be suspended over public statements

[mandrill]

That's not disparaging. Unless you believe men and women are equal in all respects (which is obviously not true). Are there plenty of men and women that have leadership qualities? Sure. Are those qualities evenly distributed among men and women. No.

If you want to see what happens when highly educated, strong, independent women are removed from male 'oppression' and left completely on their own watch a few seasons of this show:

The cookie crumbles quickly, and the reliance on the fruits of men's labor and competencies becomes readily apparent.

You'd get the same outcome anywhere including the First World if men were completely removed from the picture. Males of our species build and sustain... I understand this is a hard pill to swallow given the contemporary but deeply flawed narrative that gender is a social construct, and that men and women are identical.

“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.” Plato

Gender is a social construct, Dirty. Leadership qualities are evenly distributed between the genders. Female attorneys are at least 50% of the bar and probably the same % of the Bench. Add in the medical and academic professions. Same %'s.

The 1950's are over. The only people who think like Peterson are Peterson's fanbois these days.

 

[Frankfooter]

Gender is a social construct, Dirty. Leadership qualities are evenly distributed between the genders. Female attorneys are at least 50% of the bar and probably the same % of the Bench. Add in the medical and academic professions. Same %'s.

The 1950's are over. The only people who think like Peterson are Peterson's fanbois these days.

Don't forget the Andrew Tate fanbois!!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Question for the free speech defenders.
If taking Peterson's license to practice away is an attack on free speech, is this also an attack on free speech that's bad?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612875948302520320

 

[dirtyharry555]

Gender is a social construct, Dirty. Leadership qualities are evenly distributed between the genders. Female attorneys are at least 50% of the bar and probably the same % of the Bench. Add in the medical and academic professions. Same %'s.

The 1950's are over. The only people who think like Peterson are Peterson's fanbois these days.

You are the dictionary definition of 'suspension of disbelief'.

It isn't the 1950s nor is it 3100 B.C., but we're still men and women.

Your percentages speak to intelligence, which is evenly distributed (except at the tale ends - there are more males at the lowest and highest points of the intelligence distribution). Leadership goes beyond raw intelligence, as that simple video I posted demonstrates.

 

[mandrill]

You are the dictionary definition of 'suspension of disbelief'.

It isn't the 1950s nor is it 3100 B.C., but we're still men and women.

Your percentages speak to intelligence, which is evenly distributed (except at the tale ends - there are more males at the lowest and highest points of the intelligence distribution). Leadership goes beyond raw intelligence, as that simple video I posted demonstrates.

Well, okay. But the same leadership qualities of firmness, clear-headedness and ability to prioritize tasks and make decisions are required in attorneys and judges. And I can assure you, there are innumerable women who do just fine in those roles.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Well, okay. But the same leadership qualities of firmness, clear-headedness and ability to prioritize tasks and make decisions are required in attorneys and judges. And I can assure you, there are innumerable women who do just fine in those roles.

All cars get you from A to B, yet not all cars are created equal.

 

[mandrill]

All cars get you from A to B, yet not all cars are created equal.

Seriously!?

So which of the female justices on the Supreme Court of Canada do you think are less able than the male justices?

 

[dirtyharry555]

Seriously!?

So which of the female justices on the Supreme Court of Canada do you think are less able than the male justices?

It's possible that all are equally able... doesn't change that distributions within the entire population differ and on any number of other scales too.

Why do you think that over 98% of truck drivers are men? Is it because women are incapable of driving trucks? It is due to historical and present day oppression? Is it choice?

Finally, are truckers necessary for modern living standards?

Why are prisons all over the world filled primarily with men? Shouldn't it be 50/50 since genders are the same?

We could do this all day but I don't want to dash your fairy tale hopes that men and women measure up equally.

 

[mandrill]

It's possible that all are equally able... doesn't change that distributions within the entire population differ and on any number of other scales too.

Why do you think that over 98% of truck drivers are men? Is it because women are incapable of driving trucks? It is due to historical and present day oppression? Is it choice?

It's an isolated job that would make the women vulnerable to sexual harassment and it requires physical strength and endurance.

 

[dirtyharry555]

It's an isolated job that would make the women vulnerable to sexual harassment and it requires physical strength and endurance.

If it requires so much physical strength and endurance, why are all the truckers I've seen out of shape and overweight? Taxi drivers should also be honed athletes by your logic, too?

How would driving goods in a truck result in sexual harassment? You pick up cargo at point A, drop it off at point B. The machines do all the work for you.

 

[mellowjello]

Gender is a social construct, Dirty. Leadership qualities are evenly distributed between the genders. Female attorneys are at least 50% of the bar and probably the same % of the Bench. Add in the medical and academic professions. Same %'s.

The 1950's are over. The only people who think like Peterson are Peterson's fanbois these days.

So it seems women don't have anything to complain about anymore.

 

[Frankfooter]

It's possible that all are equally able... doesn't change that distributions within the entire population differ and on any number of other scales too.

Why do you think that over 98% of truck drivers are men? Is it because women are incapable of driving trucks? It is due to historical and present day oppression? Is it choice?

Finally, are truckers necessary for modern living standards?

Why are prisons all over the world filled primarily with men? Shouldn't it be 50/50 since genders are the same?

We could do this all day but I don't want to dash your fairy tale hopes that men and women measure up equally.

We still have centuries of social conditioning telling us which jobs should be done by men and which by women.
Change is slow.

 

[dirtyharry555]

It's an isolated job that would make the women vulnerable to sexual harassment and it requires physical strength and endurance.

But is your point that differences in physiology impact various job performances?

Surely when it comes to activities like sport, the differences are salient enough to be seen by the naked eye. We know that in equal weight classes, a male boxer is going to defeat a female boxer.

In activities that involve teams of people with physical and psychological components, the differences may be less obvious, and that's when studies are conducted, like this one for the Marines:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/10/439190586/marine-corps-study-finds-all-male-combat-units-faster-than-mixed-units

Do you think that rates of burnout, ability to work overtime, work outdoors, work dangerous jobs, avoid injury, maintain focus, are impacted by general personality and physiological differences between genders? Do men and women approach spatial tasks the same?

Should I continue?

 

[mandrill]

But is your point that differences in physiology impact various job performances?

Surely when it comes to activities like sport, the differences are salient enough to be seen by the naked eye. We know that in equal weight classes, a male boxer is going to defeat a female boxer.

In activities that involve teams of people with physical and psychological components, the differences may be less obvious, and that's when studies are conducted, like this one for the Marines:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/10/439190586/marine-corps-study-finds-all-male-combat-units-faster-than-mixed-units

Do you think that rates of burnout, ability to work overtime, work outdoors, work dangerous jobs, avoid injury, maintain focus, are impacted by general personality and physiological differences between genders?

Some of that stuff would probably need expert analysis. There is a clear strength and athletic ability difference between males and females. That aside, I can't answer.

But none of this impacts "leadership qualities".

 

[mandrill]

So it seems women don't have anything to complain about anymore.

Less and less.

 

[mandrill]

If it requires so much physical strength and endurance, why are all the truckers I've seen out of shape and overweight? Taxi drivers should also be honed athletes by your logic, too?

Because a fat, out of shape guy is still stronger than a female.

How would driving goods in a truck result in sexual harassment? You pick up cargo at point A, drop it off at point B. The machines do all the work for you.

For the same reason women don't walk alone through parks at night or stroll down a dark alley. Driving a truck means they're alone, far from any witnesses / supports in a heavily male environment.

 

[mellowjello]

Less and less.

Good news, I hope they get it as well.

 

[dirtyharry555]

Some of that stuff would probably need expert analysis. There is a clear strength and athletic ability difference between males and females. That aside, I can't answer.

But none of this impacts "leadership qualities".

Of course it does. Are you led by the person that talks the talk but has never or is incapable of walking the walk?

Are you led by the person that gets burned out, cries and get depressed or the person that stays even keel and marches forward steadily?

Are you led by the person that works normal 9 to 5 and calls it a day (because they want "work life balance"), or the guy that can grind around the clock finding solutions to all the problems that makes everyone more productive and the company more successful?

Obviously these are generalities. Most men don't meet these standards. Even fewer women do.

 

[Valcazar]

Then he doesn't need his license so what's the big deal? He can go on spouting off his opinion and nonsense license free.

He can't monotize being "censored" though if he does that, though.

 

[Valcazar]

Listen to his own words. Enforced monogamy by culture because polygamous cultures become very violent. He states that this has been available in the anthropological literature for 100 years.

Yes and no.
The literature is far less clear than he is implying here, and the idea that the cause for what is seen in these kinds of studies is men not having wives is also less clear.

He isn't making it up out of whole cloth, though, nor is he completely misunderstanding the literature.