How are those alternatives? I get all the sex I want at home. I dont go to strip clubs to fuck, I go to drink and look at naked girls. Thats tough to do when they dont get naked!
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Try Montreal bars. Lots of strip stage dances at Kingdom, Cleopatra, club Downtown and other bars.
Of course strip bars are not a place for that. I used to go to strip bars to get lots of hugging and kissing as my name says and I was suggesting one might be able to get those by alternative options/
It depends on many factors. I would say for a young. handsome yuppie who knows his way around ladies then the alternatives could be great. Otherwise it may be harder to much harder. One thing is for sure, It is much much less expensive. Never used dating sites so I don't know..
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Is it really so bad at the Barefax now? I used to spend a lot of time there before the pandemic and was going to start going in occasionally again on Fridays, but I'm not wasting my money on air dances or waiting until the third song before it gets interesting. Way too expensive on top of the $10 drinks.
I don't see how that business model could keep the doors open, honestly.
I don't see how that business model could keep the doors open, honestly.
Good point JF,
This is where we can only hope that managers and owners are perusing the boards from time to time. Although the dancers are independent contractors, the owners are providing a venue for the dancers to ply their trade so to speak. The owners/managers should set a standard and remind the girls that the customer is paying them to get naked NOT to dance. It is only coincidental that there is music playing. The songs play a role but are really nothing more than timers.
Wow! Just “wow”!
looking at most of the comments, it saddens me that Barefax has totally changed from what it was prior to 2020. The last time I was there was Dec 2019 on a Thursday afternoon, and I still had a GREAT TIME!
I also can’t imagine having to even wait for the 2nd dance for a lady to take everything off! 95% ( at least) of my dances were everything was off halfway thru the 1st dance. And more than 90% of the dancers really took all off when they dance onstage , even on day time.
looking at most of the comments, it saddens me that Barefax has totally changed from what it was prior to 2020. The last time I was there was Dec 2019 on a Thursday afternoon, and I still had a GREAT TIME!
I also can’t imagine having to even wait for the 2nd dance for a lady to take everything off! 95% ( at least) of my dances were everything was off halfway thru the 1st dance. And more than 90% of the dancers really took all off when they dance onstage , even on day time.
I hear you, Romeo. Back then getting naked on stage was a rule, not an option. And as to upstairs, hell, by the second song half my clothes were off!
bro!!!!! Lol
.thank You for informing the whole universe that your clothes were almost off on the champagne rooms lmao.
any ways, I really miss the days when I would do “bar hopping” between Barefax & Barb’s . I used to do that 1x or 2x monthly.
I truly cherish those days when at least 3 hotties at fax would come sit besides me & even initiate some sensual groping …. All while still sittingdownstairs.
This is not limited to Barefax or Ottawa. It is everywhere. A lack of interest in strip bars and worsening. Dancers don't make money and hence trying to milk the few remaining strip bar customers as much as they can and in any way they can.
I remember Super Sex club in downtown Montreal in the 90's packed with customers since they opened at noon till midnight. I went back in 2016 at 6 pm and there were a few customers bored. They closed after. Strip dances one after another and free buffet twice a day. Neighboring strip bars closed even before Super Sex did. The few remaining Montreal clubs now are closed daytime and open at 6 or 7 pm.
I don't know the reason for lack of interest in strip bars past two decades.
1- May be a ban on smoking (though I loved it) was a factor?
2- May be the internet and easy availability of escorts was a factor. I was expecting an upturn in strip bar business once they made seeing escorts illegal in 2014 but that never materialized.
3- May be expensive drinks and cover fees was a factor but the bars had to make up for lost business.
4- May be expensive dances but the price have been $20 per song since 2001.
5- May be dancers milking too much dollars out of few remaining customers using different tricks (in my case most at Barefax start in the middle of song charging full, or miscounting the number of songs or not taking off everything after 2 or even in Barefax's cases after 3 songs. More or less same experience at PM and Pigales not as bad as Barefax though).
6 - May be long breaks between stage dances (makes being there so boring) or some dancers not stripping but topless dancing (this problem is acute especially at Barefax). A tactic to keep customers curious and go for private dance of more than 3 songs.
In my case not frequenting strip bars that often anymore is the last two factors, reasons number 5.and 6.
I remember Super Sex club in downtown Montreal in the 90's packed with customers since they opened at noon till midnight. I went back in 2016 at 6 pm and there were a few customers bored. They closed after. Strip dances one after another and free buffet twice a day. Neighboring strip bars closed even before Super Sex did. The few remaining Montreal clubs now are closed daytime and open at 6 or 7 pm.
I don't know the reason for lack of interest in strip bars past two decades.
1- May be a ban on smoking (though I loved it) was a factor?
2- May be the internet and easy availability of escorts was a factor. I was expecting an upturn in strip bar business once they made seeing escorts illegal in 2014 but that never materialized.
3- May be expensive drinks and cover fees was a factor but the bars had to make up for lost business.
4- May be expensive dances but the price have been $20 per song since 2001.
5- May be dancers milking too much dollars out of few remaining customers using different tricks (in my case most at Barefax start in the middle of song charging full, or miscounting the number of songs or not taking off everything after 2 or even in Barefax's cases after 3 songs. More or less same experience at PM and Pigales not as bad as Barefax though).
6 - May be long breaks between stage dances (makes being there so boring) or some dancers not stripping but topless dancing (this problem is acute especially at Barefax). A tactic to keep customers curious and go for private dance of more than 3 songs.
In my case not frequenting strip bars that often anymore is the last two factors, reasons number 5.and 6.
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While I'm not at all familiar with the situation in Montreal, I'm similarly puzzled about the more recent "lack of interest in strip bars" locally.
As I may have posted elsewhere (so please forgive the repetition if so), I had hoped that the closure of Barb's would at least tend to reinforce the supply of dancers at other area clubs but this just has not seemed to have occurred.
In recent years most of my SC trips have been afternoon visits to the 'Mate and, to be fair, there were some afternoons when it was very slow there pre-covid. Recent visits to the PM have been somewhat disappointing as certain fave dancers apparently have moved to another club (77) and the remaining regulars are not quite my type or else seem too conservative in the CR, so these factors may have affected my perception of the club. Perhaps the SC scene will end up limited to the Gatineau clubs - I suppose fewer clubs with more dancers is better than a few more clubs but each with a slow/dead atmosphere.
Certainly afternoons have always been a good deal calmer in atmosphere than evenings in the past, but the lethargic atmosphere at the PM on recent visits has me concerned that afternoon opening will soon be curtailed as at the 'Fax.
The memories of my first ventures into the Ottawa SC scene in the late 90s and always evening/latenight now have an almost hallucinatory quality as if I can't quite trust the recollection of how things were then. Many memories of nights at Barb's when the place was really packed (to the point where leaving one's seat to go the the CR almost certainly meant standing for awhile afterwards as the chair was quickly taken by another patron) and there could be 20 or more dancers (on one evening more than 30) for the 11:00 pm 'showcase'. The atmosphere was often the same at the 'Fax, especially on Th/Fr/Sat nights.
It's difficult to imagine how/why this has changed so radically, but I guess a lack of patrons has affected dancer interest and then fewer quality dancers ( I like to be respectful and there are certainly differing tastes in dancer look/physique) has in turn made for fewer patrons and this now seems to be an inexorable spiral at the clubs but I hope not - guess I'm not too optimistic but maybe things will stabilize.
The midwinter period after the holiday season has always been bleak but perhaps I'll drop by the 'Mate (hoping to see a fave) or 77 in the coming weeks to see how things are. Hope those who visit any club will post about their experience/impressions.
(Guess this a a bit of a hijack posted in Barefax thread, but I was prompted by H_K's preceding post.)
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I am not sure anyone complains about air dances at Barefax (may be at NuDen?). In my cases they are contact dances but panties stays on like forever, and most dancers start in the middle of the song and count it as full and few miscount number of songs in their favor. These problems being worse at Barefax especially.Well some of these comments say they’re just air dances ?
As a daytime guy I think the loss of daytime opening can bear some of the blame. I'd go in during daytime hours and see a few different girls, depending who was working. But they were pretty much all regulars. And they knew I'd be back and spend more money on them in the future so they were always honest with the count as they knew they wouldn't see any more money if they weren't.
Yes, many of us remember "the tall hot blonde at barbs maybe 30/35". An ATF at Barb's for sure.
Yes I met her on her first day at Barbs when she was introducing herself to owner and managers. She was in her mid 20's and she danced for me for the first year I remember she kept saying she is getting goosebumps when dancing for clients she likes.
I doubt it, but if they are, they are assuming a holier than thou attitude. A manager in the strip club business would fall on their face in the real world. The manager in the real world has responsibility for the P&L of the business. In a strip club they just hold the keys to the front door.
