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Biden swaps Brittany Griner for Russian arms dealer called "the merchant of death"

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Absolutely not. Never even thought about it that way. This arms dealer is a safety threat to the entire world, Griner plays in the WNBA. So you think Biden won because he traded a International arms dealer for a pro basketball player. Nice try tho, trying to make my comment about race.
 
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Why, because you think arms traders are worth more than black women?
Because 25 years is longer than 9 years, and if you are going to deal with hostage takers at all it's better not to get gypped...
 

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Absolutely not. Never even thought about it that way. This arms dealer is a safety threat to the entire world, Griner plays in the WNBA. So you think Biden won because he traded a International arms dealer for a pro basketball player. Nice try tho, trying to make my comment about race.
I'm still not sure why you think Putin wins.
 

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I think the fact that she's famous and it was a news story pushed the admin to deal with Putin on this. I think the fact that she was egregiously excessively punished was also a factor. If the Russians gave her 4 months in the Moscow Jail, people would be less concerned. But 9 years in the Gulag is likely a death sentence, especially for a Black woman and especially for an American. People get murdered or deliberately starved to death in those places. If I'm Biden, I probably don't want that death on my conscience.

I don't think her being a lesbian had anything to do with it. But dream on, since it makes you happy.
Oh honey no.
1: She isn't a celebrity, she plays in a league that pretty much nobody cares about. Most people who claim to support the WNBA wouldn't be able to name a single player based on playing merit, and couldn't name a single team. She isn't even Pauly Shore level famous. More people would know who Pauly Shore is than her, at least before she got arrested.
2: She was hauled out because she is black female and I guess a lesbian.

Also trading some rando who wouldn't be good enough to play with men in some bush league for "the merchant of death". I bet Poutine is having a good laugh at that one.
 

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1: She isn't a celebrity, she plays in a league that pretty much nobody cares about. Most people who claim to support the WNBA wouldn't be able to name a single player based on playing merit, and couldn't name a single team. She isn't even Pauly Shore level famous. More people would know who Pauly Shore is than her, at least before she got arrested.
She is now, Pal. Big time black lesbian from Texas - whooda thunkit?

2: She was hauled out because she is black female and I guess a lesbian.
And cannabis! If you forgot that your soulmate Tucker would never forgive you.

Also trading some rando who wouldn't be good enough to play with men in some bush league for "the merchant of death". I bet Poutine is having a good laugh at that one.
She doesn't have to play with men, she's a lesbian, remember??
 

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My understanding is that Whelan wasn't going to be part of any deal anyway.
I'm pretty sure that they would have given up Whelan if one of the many Russian spies they have in custody were part of the deal. The sad part is Griner moved the political needle, Whelan doesn't. That's not Brittany's fault and she shouldn't have been held in the first place. It's awful when human beings are used as political pawns.
 

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I'm not so sure of that - an American celebrity athletic hero vs an unknown guy selling guns in the middle east ? You are comparing the crimes as they would be prosecuted here and their severity. The American is far more important so Biden wins
In America probably not in the rest of the world.
 

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Also trading some rando who wouldn't be good enough to play with men in some bush league for "the merchant of death". I bet Poutine is having a good laugh at that one.
The question is, is "the merchant of death" still as dangerous as he was in his younger years? Viktor has been out of the game since 2008 and is now 55. Does he still have the jam to carry on where he left off, I doubt it.
 

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I'm pretty sure that they would have given up Whelan if one of the many Russian spies they have in custody were part of the deal. The sad part is Griner moved the political needle, Whelan doesn't. That's not Brittany's fault and she shouldn't have been held in the first place. It's awful when human beings are used as political pawns.
Why are the righties so quick to want to trade for Whelan? He doesn't exactly sound like he's been a law-abiding American.


He enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve in 1994.[7] He took military leave from Kelly Services to serve with the Marine Corps Reserve from 2003 to 2008, including service in Iraq. He held the rank of staff sergeant with Marine Air Control Group 38 working as an administrative clerk and administrative chief, and he was part of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[8] After a court-martial conviction in January 2008 on multiple counts "related to larceny", he was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade E-4, and a bad conduct discharge.[9][10] The specific charges against him included "attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number, and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for payment."[11]
 
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No argument there Trump didn't do anything either, but he's not in charge anymore. This is on Biden now.
Yawn.

Sounds like Biden did his best and the deal wasn't on the table. Whelan's family has publicly congratulated Biden.
 
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I'm pretty sure that they would have given up Whelan if one of the many Russian spies they have in custody were part of the deal. The sad part is Griner moved the political needle, Whelan doesn't. That's not Brittany's fault and she shouldn't have been held in the first place. It's awful when human beings are used as political pawns.
Or - like Squeezer said - Bout is now useless and was a smaller piece than any of the spies.

But then, you know more than Biden and his CIA advisors, right?
 

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Oh honey no.
1: She isn't a celebrity, she plays in a league that pretty much nobody cares about. Most people who claim to support the WNBA wouldn't be able to name a single player based on playing merit, and couldn't name a single team. She isn't even Pauly Shore level famous. More people would know who Pauly Shore is than her, at least before she got arrested.
2: She was hauled out because she is black female and I guess a lesbian.

Also trading some rando who wouldn't be good enough to play with men in some bush league for "the merchant of death". I bet Poutine is having a good laugh at that one.
She became a celebrity as soon as she made the news for being arrested in Moscow. No one gave a f about her before.
 
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Why are the righties so quick to want to trade for Whelan? He doesn't exactly sound like he's been a law-abiding American.


He enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve in 1994.[7] He took military leave from Kelly Services to serve with the Marine Corps Reserve from 2003 to 2008, including service in Iraq. He held the rank of staff sergeant with Marine Air Control Group 38 working as an administrative clerk and administrative chief, and he was part of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[8] After a court-martial conviction in January 2008 on multiple counts "related to larceny", he was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade E-4, and a bad conduct discharge.[9][10] The specific charges against him included "attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number, and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for payment."[11]
Because he's an American? Does a petty thief deserve to rot in jail? That's not the Democratic mantra. Petty thieves aren't even prosecuted in the U.S or in some states anyway
 
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Gooseifur

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Or - like Squeezer said - Bout is now useless and was a smaller piece than any of the spies.

But then, you know more than Biden and his CIA advisors, right?
Right so Biden wasn't willing to give up one of the spies for Whelan. So much for the narrative that they would do "whatever it takes to get him back" I probably do know more than Biden. He doesn't know much and if he did it's all forgotten. I have no idea what the CIA advisors know
 

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Right so Biden wasn't willing to give up one of the spies for Whelan. So much for the narrative that they would do "whatever it takes to get him back" I probably do know more than Biden. He doesn't know much and if he did it's all forgotten. I have no idea what the CIA advisors know
"Whatever it takes to get him back" clearly has reasonable limits. You get that concept, huh?
 

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"Whatever it takes to get him back" clearly has reasonable limits. You get that concept, huh?
So trading a spy isn't reasonable? You already know who he or she is. His or her cover is blown, it's not like he can spy again, Seems reasonable to me. When he says whatever it takes people take him at his word. I guess he was lying.
 
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