Biden swaps Brittany Griner for Russian arms dealer called "the merchant of death"

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I agree about protecting its own but Whelan has been there longer and I think they could have gotten him too if they were willing to give up another Russian.
You don't know anything about the discussions. Neither do I. But I don't second guess.

There is a social media rumour that the Russians wanted one of their top level assassins released in return for Whelan and the US balked.
 

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How do you know he's not a danger? Why do people get life sentences for horrific crimes? Should they be released after 12 years because they aren't a danger anymore? It doesn't burn me that it was a political win for Biden I don't think it was. Her name is Griner not Grinder. Why was she the best choice? Was it because it was politically better for him?
You might want to respond to my posts on this topic as well.
 
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You don't know anything about the discussions. Neither do I. But I don't second guess.

There is a social media rumour that the Russians wanted one of their top level assassins released in return for Whelan and the US balked.
Right so they are not willing to do "Whatever is necessary" . Are they?
 

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OK, but that stuff's not relevant now. What's relevant is that she's a US citizen who got nabbed for something most Americans think is a non-crime and got 9 years in the gulag for it in a highly corrupt court. The sheer outrage made her a celebrity - not because anyone gives a fuck about the WNBA, but because the Russians fucked her over to fuck over the USA and smirked when they did it. THAT'S what makes her newsworthy.
She was supposed to serve 9 years and Bout had 6 years left on his term.
 
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You might want to respond to my posts on this topic as well.
What makes you think he doesn't still have contacts? He developed them once. It would be naive to think he couldn't do it again Do you think drug dealers who are released from prison after 20 years can't deal again and find the contacts to do it?
 
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What makes you think he doesn't still have contacts? He developed them once. It would be naive to think he couldn't do it again Do you think drug dealers who are released from prison after 20 years can't deal again and find the contacts to do it?
Dude, seriously! He's been in jail in the US for 15 years. It's a competitive business. He's been replaced.

And yes, drug dealers who come out of jail after 20 years have lost their contacts. How the hell would they keep them?!
 
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Right so they are not willing to do "Whatever is necessary" . Are they?
I've already responded to you once on this point. I said "whatever is necessary" has limits of what is reasonable under the circumstances. Stop being obtuse.

If they think that a top assassin is too high a price to pay for Whelan, they're probably correct.
 
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How do you know he's not a danger? Why do people get life sentences for horrific crimes? Should they be released after 12 years because they aren't a danger anymore? It doesn't burn me that it was a political win for Biden I don't think it was. Her name is Griner not Grinder. Why was she the best choice? Was it because it was politically better for him?
Since you want to correct me on the name, I'll do the same on your math. It is 15 years, not 12. How do you know he is a danger? Do you have an inside source in the jail system that has been giving you personally the scoop on the man?? Yes, it does burn you because you're entire argument is why not Whelan. If it had been Whelan, it would have been why not Griner? If they had thrown in a more violent person to get both, you would be screaming, Biden gave two killers for 2 folks we didn't need back.

Let's spin this around and if it was Trump who made any of these exchanges, you would be defending them as the best deal ever, the best deal only Trump can pull off.

You have Doocy's talking points down to a tee. Listen to Karine and it's ok, calm down. It will all workout.

 
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Dude, seriously! He's been in jail in the US for 15 years. It's a competitive business. He's been replaced.

And yes, drug dealers who come out of jail after 20 years have lost their contacts. How the hell would they keep them?!
In Jail? The gun business is competitive but I'm sure with the people he knows he could get back in. Not a lot of people are able to do it.
 

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I've already responded to you once on this point. I said "whatever is necessary" has limits of what is reasonable under the circumstances. Stop being obtuse.

If they think that a top assassin is too high a price to pay for Whelan, they're probably correct.
Then why use those words. It gives people a false sense of hope.
 

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Since you want to correct me on the name, I'll do the same on your math. It is 15 years, not 12. How do you know he is a danger? Do you have an inside source in the jail system that has been giving you personally the scoop on the man?? Yes, it does burn you because you're entire argument is why not Whelan. If it had been Whelan, it would have been why not Griner? If they had thrown in a more violent person to get both, you would be screaming, Biden gave two killers for 2 folks we didn't need back.

Let's spin this around and if it was Trump who made any of these exchanges, you would be defending them as the best deal ever, the best deal only Trump can pull off.

You have Doocy's talking points down to a tee. Listen to Karine and it's ok, calm down. It will all workout.

No I wouldn't be defending Trump. It was a bad deal. The guy was called the merchant of death for a reason. To say he's not a danger is being naive. If he's willing to give up one killer for a basketball player why not another for Whelan, Seems like common sense to me. Ask yourself why Putin wanted him back for so long if he's useless especially now that he's at war with Ukraine? It wasn't to keep him company
 
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In Jail? The gun business is competitive but I'm sure with the people he knows he could get back in. Not a lot of people are able to do it.
If they're still alive. If they're still in the business. If they don't have a new partner.

Of course, Putin can still set him up in business. But Putin could do that with almost any sketchy guy.
 

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If they're still alive. If they're still in the business. If they don't have a new partner.

Of course, Putin can still set him up in business. But Putin could do that with almost any sketchy guy.
Ask yourself why Putin wanted this guy back for so long if he's useless and now he gets him back while he's at war with Ukraine?
 

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Bout's been out of the game for 15 years. What makes you think he has the contacts and the moves to still be a player?

And to suggest that The Poo couldn't replace Bouts in a week with someone as well "qualified" - by "qualified", I mean some Kremlin stooge who has access to shitty Russian military assets and can sell them - is patently silly. Bouts doesn't need to be intelligent and sophisticated to meet some sub Saharan warlord and say "You get 20 Russian heavy mortars plus mnogo ammo if you sign over that diamond mine in the next valley to PutinCorp Inc right after you seize it. Oh, and keep the miners alive when you attack. We can use them as slave labour when the mine is ours."
I trust Grozev’s opinion. He is one of a very few people whose opinion I generally trust.
 

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Russian Media Mock ( laugh) US for Priortizing Griner over Whelan.


While the Biden Administration does not represent half the country (some might argue far more than half) when it comes to principles, values, morals, intelligence, courage, common sense, etc., it unfortunately does represent all of us when it comes to the world stage and geopolitics.

Millions of Americans are fully aware that the Brittney Griner prisoner swap for international arms dealer Viktor Bout is a bad trade, and that US Marine Paul Whelan, now imprisoned in Russia for two years, should have been included in the deal. We all know that Biden's agenda for this trade was based on winning woke points with his far-left base (and part of some unspoken arrangement with Saudi Arabia and UAE), but the prisoner swap is more than just foolish political gamesmanship, it is also an embarrassment for the US as a whole.

The Russian media acknowledges (and laughs) about the deeper meaning behind the trade and it's hard to disagree with them when they argue that it symbolizes a display of internal ideological weakness.

That video is difficult to watch because she's absolutely correct . In the eyes of the world we are all like Joe Biden.…Weak, unintelligent, bullshitting , biologiclly confused pussies. Easy marks for the rest of the world as globalists, woketards and other POS gut what's left of the country. As others have said - can't vote ourselves out of where we are today.

The Russian Lady in the video is well spoken - she sees the underlying rot in the US of A in terms of values and leadership.
This type of adulation for a drug addled "trans-something" at the expense of the solid patriot means the game is lost -
recruitment numbers show the effects of Biden et al.


PS. It's nice to know the at pot-head dykes <sacrasim > have priority over marines ( USA spy according to Russian) !
 
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Ask yourself why Putin wanted this guy back for so long if he's useless and now he gets him back while he's at war with Ukraine?
Because it's a way to jeer and smirk at the US.
 
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Since you want to correct me on the name, I'll do the same on your math. It is 15 years, not 12. How do you know he is a danger? Do you have an inside source in the jail system that has been giving you personally the scoop on the man?? Yes, it does burn you because you're entire argument is why not Whelan. If it had been Whelan, it would have been why not Griner? If they had thrown in a more violent person to get both, you would be screaming, Biden gave two killers for 2 folks we didn't need back.

Let's spin this around and if it was Trump who made any of these exchanges, you would be defending them as the best deal ever, the best deal only Trump can pull off.

You have Doocy's talking points down to a tee. Listen to Karine and it's ok, calm down. It will all workout.

Psaki says Boot had 6 years left on his term, not 12.

 
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