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Sandin took a couple of punches for backing up the team’s franchise player and I thought Keefe would reward him by putting him out for the ot, but instead he played the slowest footed d man Holl and they got scored on. Terrible decision imo.
 
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This loss is on Kallgren. NYI is the highest scoring team in the 3rd period.
Leafs played well enough to lock it down.
Kallgren in 8 starts has 6 losses. 4 of them in OT.
Leafs lead the League in OT losses with 5
 
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With their top 3 D Rielly, Muzzin, and Brodie out they'll face New Jersey next in Jersey.
Winners of their last 13. Astoundingly they're still behind Boston.
Leafs top pairing is now Gio and Holl.
Gio is 39 and the oldest D in the entire league.
 
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Gio was fantastic. Leafs are fortunate to have him.
 
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What a game! A regular season game that had the vibes of a playoff game because of the Devils’ win streak. The Leafs deserved full credit for the wins. All 3 called back goals were correctly made. For a team to go on a 13 game win streak there bound to be the element of good fortunes regardless how good a team is. For this one game the breaks didn’t go their way but it was still a very good game for the Devils.
 
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I'm a GIO fan. There were some that blasted Dubas in the off-season for signing a washup 39-year-old for NHL minimum wage.
I agree with you, but I'm concerned regarding how much gas he'll have left in the tank by the end of the season.
 

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What a game! A regular season game that had the vibes of a playoff game because of the Devils’ win streak. The Leafs deserved full credit for the wins. All 3 called back goals were correctly made. For a team to go on a 13 game win streak there bound to be the element of good fortunes regardless how good a team is. For this one game the breaks didn’t go their way but it was still a very good game for the Devils.
I disagree, third disallowed goal should have counted. Yes the Devils player kicked the puck towards the goal but it clearly hit a Leaf skate before going in.
 
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I disagree, third disallowed goal should have counted. Yes the Devils player kicked the puck towards the goal but it clearly hit a Leaf skate before going in.
Makes no difference. It's like a deflection. Not control of the puck. I suppose if it hit the goalie before going in it should count also.
That one was the most obvious to call back. Ruff even knew it.
 

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I disagree, third disallowed goal should have counted. Yes the Devils player kicked the puck towards the goal but it clearly hit a Leaf skate before going in.
Kicked-in goals are also covered under Rule 49.2:

A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net with his skate/foot.

A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks a puck that deflects into the net off any player, goalkeeper or official.
 

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Kicked-in goals are also covered under Rule 49.2:

A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net with his skate/foot.

A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks a puck that deflects into the net off any player, goalkeeper or official.
I'd like to see the rule changed so that a player can kick it in off an official. Would make things interesting. :D
 
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With Benn injured the bottom pairing is now Mete and Hollowell
 

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not always sure...
Kicked-in goals are also covered under Rule 49.2:

A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net with his skate/foot.

A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks a puck that deflects into the net off any player, goalkeeper or official.
Basically the Leafs needed three disallowed goals to win the game and they were handed those, so good on us.

On the 3rd disallowed goal you're correct about the rule. The Jersey player attempted to kick the puck up to his stick and it deflected into the net off of something, most likely touching Robertson's skate blade last.

There was only one replay angle that wasn't obscured, but it showed the Jersey players stick to be in the same position as Robertson's skate.

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The blurry disc in front of his stick is the puck.

The referee on the ice was at about a 70 degree angle to the play and called it a good goal.

So the fact Haula kicked the puck to the area in front of the net wasn't the issue; because the referee ruled it had touched a stick and was a goal.
What was needed was 100% incontrovertible evidence that the puck DID NOT touch the Jersey forward's stick before deflecting into the net.

Let's just say it was a mess and the decision is controversial.

On the first disallowed goal the referee's reaction was telling. He first pronounced that video evidence had "confirmed we have a good goal" and pointed at centre ice, before quickly realizing that was what HE saw on the review, not what the Toronto Control Centre said had happened.
Freudian slippage.
It was lucky for Murray that the guy touched his skate before the shot came, because he had time to set, fully extend his left leg, and still have the goal denied.

The second disallowed goal: let's just say the players and fans would want some consistency in decision making. Tatar rounded the net and Murray was the one changing direction.
I know what the rule is, don't @ me.
More flagrant fouls even very recently have seen the goaltender interference call denied because “it was incidental contact”, and the puck goes in while the goalie lays on their back behind the net.
Just some consistency, that's all.
 
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Basically the Leafs needed three disallowed goals to win the game and they were handed those, so good on us.

On the 3rd disallowed goal you're correct about the rule. The Jersey player attempted to kick the puck up to his stick and it deflected into the net off of something, most likely touching Robertson's skate blade last.

There was only one replay angle that wasn't obscured, but it showed the Jersey players stick to be in the same position as Robertson's skate.

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The blurry disc in front of his stick is the puck.

The referee on the ice was at about a 70 degree angle to the play and called it a good goal.

So the fact Haula kicked the puck to the area in front of the net wasn't the issue; because the referee ruled it had touched a stick and was a goal.
What was needed was 100% incontrovertible evidence that the puck DID NOT touch the Jersey forward's stick before deflecting into the net.

Let's just say it was a mess and the decision is controversial.

On the first disallowed goal the referee's reaction was telling. He first pronounced that video evidence had "confirmed we have a good goal" and pointed at centre ice, before quickly realizing that was what HE saw on the review, not what the Toronto Control Centre said had happened.
Freudian slippage.
It was lucky for Murray that the guy touched his skate before the shot came, because he had time to set, fully extend his left leg, and still have the goal denied.

The second disallowed goal: let's just say the players and fans would want some consistency in decision making. Tatar rounded the net and Murray was the one changing direction.
I know what the rule is, don't @ me.
More flagrant fouls even very recently have seen the goaltender interference call denied because “it was incidental contact”, and the puck goes in while the goalie lays on their back behind the net.
Just some consistency, that's all.
‘No controversies as far as I‘m concerned, nor it should it be for anyone who’s watching it with a mutual mindset. Clearly there was a “deflection “ off a kick and obvious goalie interference on the other two as shown on the replays so they all shouldn’t count. These were correct interpretations of the rules, similar to the one made on Leafs’ disallowed goal against Phoenix (Reilly’s hand pass).
 
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