Xi Dresses Down Trudeau At G20

[Frankfooter]

I'm no big fan of Trudeau either - my take on Canadian politics right now is that you have an anti-Trudeau cult that hates Trudeau and thinks he can do nothing right and a pro-Trudeau hive that loves Trudeau and thinks he can do nothing wrong with neither group being able to rise above it and look at things objectively.

Having said that, I don't agree with your take on the video. I've been amazed at how successfully the "cult" has been able to take this video over and make it sound like Trudeau came off as weak. I don't see that at all. I see Xi and Trudeau having a very tense conversation, neither of them looking weak, things ending with a perfunctory handshake and both of them walking off. To be clear, I do not see Trudeau as a particularly strong leader in general terms, but I personally don't see the weakness in Trudeau in this video.

As for questions about the military, Canada could raise spending to 2% of GDP and it would mean nothing. Militarily we're a small power and because we have a relatively large and strong economy we get to punch above our weight diplomatically on the world stage. But the reality is that there are three great powers in the world today - the USA, Russia and China - and no matter how much we spent on the military we would be helpless against any of them.

Except now the world powers look like just the US and China, Putin has taken himself off that list.
There seems to be some big power moves by China over the last few years, more investments in Africa and South America and a bit more flexing around Taiwan, with more overt interference with other countries, both overtly and covertly.
Which makes me really wonder what the conversation was about.

 

[Frankfooter]

100% agree. We have done terrible things to them, and continue to treat them poorly. But, unlike China, we're trying to improve the situation. While some roll their eyes about the Truth and Reconciliation process, it is something that is slowly making things better. Now, we just need to get clean drinking water to all the reserves, among other things.

Much different than the camps in China we hardly hear about.

China’s Repression of Uyghurs in Xinjiang

More than a million Muslims have been arbitrarily detained in China’s Xinjiang region. The reeducation camps are just one part of the government’s crackdown on Uyghurs.

www.cfr.org

 

[danmand]

100% agree. We have done terrible things to them, and continue to treat them poorly. But, unlike China, we're trying to improve the situation. While some roll their eyes about the Truth and Reconciliation process, it is something that is slowly making things better. Now, we just need to get clean drinking water to all the reserves, among other things.

Do you know that 27% of people and in particular 43% of women in federal prison in Canada are indigenous, (4% of population)?

 

[Ghbff]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593010883638472704

The hive is getting all worked up in this thread I see.......

You seem like the type of guy to put porn on when when hanging out with a group of their buddies

 

[silentkisser]

Do you know that 50% of women in prison in Canada are indigenous women?

I wasn't aware of that particular statistic, though I did know indigenous people were disproportionately incarcerated in Canada. They also tend to get inferior health care, where doctors and nurses do not take their conditions as seriously as other groups.

 

[danmand]

I wasn't aware of that particular statistic, though I did know indigenous people were disproportionately incarcerated in Canada. They also tend to get inferior health care, where doctors and nurses do not take their conditions as seriously as other groups.

I changed my post to be more accurate.

Indigenous people and blacks are also given less access to education etc in federal prisons, so their chances of rehabilitation are lower.

It is all in the 2022 Audit of Federal Prisons.

 

[Frankfooter]

I changed my post to be more accurate.

Indigenous people and blacks are also given less access to education etc in federal prisons, so their chances of rehabilitation are lower.

It is all in the 2022 Audit of Federal Prisons.

Its been a problem for years. The feds have tried to allow more community justice for indigenous but there are big cultural and systematic changes that need to happen to make the community healthier.

Indigenous Justice Programs and Services

Information on programs for Indigenous people in contact with the criminal justice system, including Indigenous Justice Strategy programs.

www2.gov.bc.ca

 

[danmand]

Its been a problem for years. The feds have tried to allow more community justice for indigenous but there are big cultural and systematic changes that need to happen to make the community healthier.

Indigenous Justice Programs and Services

Information on programs for Indigenous people in contact with the criminal justice system, including Indigenous Justice Strategy programs.

www2.gov.bc.ca

Bottom line: Canada is not in a (strong) position to lecture other countries on treatment of indigenous people.

 

[Frankfooter]

Bottom line: Canada is not in a (strong) position to lecture other countries on treatment of indigenous people.

If that's what the conversation was about.
Could have been about lots of other things, tech, spying, trade tariffs/regulations, Taiwan.....

 

[bazokajoe]

This thread has gone way off the original subject.

 

[Frankfooter]

CBC has a good story on the meeting, including details about the subjects of the conversation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-justin-trudeau-xi-1.6653939

 

[anon1]

Thanks anon1, that just proves my point.

If that's how you need to interpret it.
PeePee wouldn't have let Xi insult a whiteman, he would have started a war.

 

[curr3n_c1000]

Just add it to the collection of embarrassing Trudeau moments.

 

[Valcazar]

Ottawa.

And the Americans are REALLY pissed off with our complete lack of support for Ukraine. Seems those "announcements" about military aid to Ukraine were just lip service. (Quelle surprise. I'm shocked, shocked I say.) We haven't done a thing to support Ukraine in any meaningful way save and except 39 LAVs we sent to Ukraine. (Wow, the Russians must be quaking in their boots eh? We sent the Ukranians some glorified jeeps! And you remember that announcement Justin made about sending Ukraine 100 million in direct military aid?

Here, I will make it easy for you:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/anand-biggest-military-donation-ukraine-1.6463915

Take a guess how much of that pledge Canada has actually sent since May? I will give you one guess and it rhymes with zero.

In fact, we haven't even signed the Purchase Order.

So yes, Blinken made the flight north to meet with Mr. Dressup. Cause apparently Biden has less than 0 respect for Justin Trudeau and doesn't even want to look at him. (Haven't you wondered why Biden hasn't made the traditional trip to Canada yet?)

Evidence for any of your claims?
Evidence for what has or has not been sent?
I mean, if nothing has been sent, surely there is a report about that, right?

And are these rumours about Blinken ones you are privy to through your job? Personal contacts?
Being thrown out of the 5 eyes and the G7 surely must have lots of reports circulating about it. Those are big foreign policy moves.
I don't have Foreign Policy connections, so show me where this is being reported and let me see for myself.

 

[Boss Nass]

If you don't want to stand behind out troops, then stand in front of them next time they go to battle.

Where does he say that he doesn't support the troops? I also like the fact that we are less militaristic, and think that we should get back to peacekeeping. And you just heard that from someone with 15 years infantry service.

 

[sJudeRich73]

small potato...Not worth talking. It's a waste of time and space.

 

[bazokajoe]

Where does he say that he doesn't support the troops? I also like the fact that we are less militaristic, and think that we should get back to peacekeeping. And you just heard that from someone with 15 years infantry service.

Well lets see, the replacement for new fighter jets has been going on what, 15+ years. Yes I blame the Harper government for that to. The lack of military presence and defensive capability for the north.
Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Valcazar]

WTF is a hit dog?

It's from an expression, "a hit dog will holler".

Basically it means that if there's an accusation of some kind, the person who reacts a whole bunch and gets offended is admitting it is about them.

It comes from a longer expression - “throw a stone into a crowd of dogs, and the hit dog will holler.”
If I just throw a stone (an accusation) generally, then the dog who barks a bunch about it is admitting the stone hit them.

 

[Polaris]

This thread has gone way off the original subject.

The original topic, is like fake news.

It was a scene of two guys having a minor disagreement.

In the end, both left the door open to improve relations between the two countries and improve the dialogue.

Big deal. Yawn, that is more like it.

 

[Polaris]

This is the part that bothers me.

Trudeau is leader of this country, where most people in this thread are citizens paying taxes to the government.

Here is the leader of the country, going half way around the world, funded by the government, to have a one minute conversation with some other guy. One minute.

What the hell is that?