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Anbarandy

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. But economic realities kick in.
The economic reality is that the cupboards are chock full of goodies and treats swindled from the people of Ontario and handed out gleefully to private business and especially property developers
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danmand

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They exist, occupy time and space and now even gravity to be staunchly anti-union because their one and only constituent is NOT the people of Ontario, but private business and especially property developers.
If they were less ideological or had better brains, they would realize that there are only two possible endings to this farce:

1. They dismiss all union workers and close schools indefinitely.

2. They negotiate a deal with the union workers.

2. Gets harder the more acronymious the relations with the unions become.
 

Butler1000

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EI is capped at 2k per month. Barely a living monthly wage with rent or mtg at today's rates.
Add on a certain amount they can work on top. But the major point is they know this going in.

Are you saying the should recieve full paychecks for time off?

If the idea is they set up free learning programs as a part of summer programming and hire the workers off sure I'm for that. But if they choose to take the time off(and it is a choice, there are lots of summer jobs available) then thats the choice they made.
 

Anbarandy

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I think the construction trades are quite happy with efforts to increase housing builds. Have you tried getting contractors out to your house for repairs? I had work done a month ago, they didn't finish it. But I haven't paid a dime out. Still waiting for the finish.
New housing sales have tanked big time! Like 75%!

All that hog swallop about building 150K housing units a year was/is a fallacy. It was/is just a massive transfer of wealth stolen from the people of Ontario and showered upon Doug's one and only true love, that being private property developers.

These developers have been/are now/and will continue to sit on buildable land with the added dividend of untold riches stolen from the people of Ontario and showered upon them.

Not much housing is going to pushed through by property developers now, for years to come.
 
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Anbarandy

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your two juvenile hypothetical statements have conflicting and incompatible logic

if I am not running a company, >>>> I do not have employees

logic is not your strong suit
you obviously have no experience managing anything successful,


look
employers have to offer competitive compensation to retain employees who provide value or they will seek employment elsewhere
successful companies understand this and reward employees according to ensure they stay
compensation is tied to merit and accomplishment
the financial stability of the organization is ensured for the owners, their customers, suppliers , the employees and future employees


inject a union (particularly a public sector union) into the equation and the financial stability of the organization is ignored
public sector unions do not consider the interests of the other parties>> only their own interests
They are bleeding the province dry
Holy criminy, but of course!

It's right there above, now why is it that only certain TERB posters always have such simple-ton answers to complex problems.
 

Butler1000

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New housing sales have tanked big time! Like 75%!

All that hog swallop about building 150K housing units a year was/is a fallacy. It was/is just a massive transfer of wealth stolen from the people of Ontario and showered upon Doug's one and only true love, that being private property developers.

These developers have been/are now/and will continue to sit on buildable land with the added dividend of untold riches stolen from the people of Ontario and showered upon them.

Not much housing is going to pushed through by property developers now, for years to come.
You have no idea whats already in the pipeline. Yonge St alone has 25+ mega projects on the go. And now with the new triplex rules coming the incentive is increased.

Canada has announced they want to add at least 500,000 more immigrants per year. At least half end up in the GTA. There is already a 2.5 million application backlog due to the pandemic. They all have to live somewhere. And over the next ten years tons more baby boomers are going to die or be moved into nursing homes/family homes. Those bungalows are toast for new builds.

People are holding at the moment but movement will start again in a year. And within five years after a recession another boom.
 
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JohnLarue

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Holy criminy, but of course!

It's right there above, now why is it that only certain TERB posters always have such simple-ton answers to complex problems.
only certain TERB posters never provide facts or logic, just insults and rhetoric

complex problems??

it is actually quite simple
public sector unions do not consider the interests of the other parties>> only their own interests
specifically they certainly do not consider the financial stability of the province
they view the province as a cash cow to be milked to the max , with no consideration for the cows health

A sustainable partnership with them is impossible
 
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JohnLarue

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You just continue to show that you do not have a clue about how the world works.

too funny
just yesterday you claimed public debt never has to be repaid
(you had better tell the managers of your pension fund- some of the biggest buyers of govt bonds)

your problem is you think in terms of how your idealist world should work, while ignoring the realities of the real world.

well higher interest rates & energy security are going to be the pricks that bursts your imaginary bubble world
get ready for a hard slap to the face, hopefully it will wake you up

you are the one who does not have a clue about how the world works.
 
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JohnLarue

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If they were less ideological or had better brains, they would realize that there are only two possible endings to this farce:

1. They dismiss all union workers and close schools indefinitely.

2. They negotiate a deal with the union workers.

2. Gets harder the more acronymious the relations with the unions become.
or unions become reasonable , responsible and real partners
are you confirming this is ideological impossibility for the unions ?

contracting out the custodian requirements to the private sector is another option

The left talk the talk about sustainability but refuse to acknowledge the need for financial sustainability for their only source of funds .. the government
 
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or unions become responsible and real partners
are you confirming this is ideological impossibility for them ?
How can you even say that when support workers didn't even get the cost of inflation for the last decade?
Clearly they were good partners and are paying the price now with an anti worker government.
 

Anbarandy

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You have no idea whats already in the pipeline. Yonge St alone has 25+ mega projects on the go. And now with the new triplex rules coming the incentive is increased.

Canada has announced they want to add at least 500,000 more immigrants per year. At least half end up in the GTA. There is already a 2.5 million application backlog due to the pandemic. They all have to live somewhere. And over the next ten years tons more baby boomers are going to die or be moved into nursing homes/family homes. Those bungalows are toast for new builds.

People are holding at the moment but movement will start again in a year. And within five years after a recession another boom.
You have no idea what exactly is going on.

1) Just who the f*ck do you believe has been ever increasingly gorging themselves upon this housing frenzy buttressed by the ultra-low interest rate policy since the Great Recession until the BoC began ratcheting up interest rates less than a year ago?

It' has not been the immigrants, the Jim and Judy millennials or the ordinary Joe and Jane Q first time house buying Canadian citizen. It has been investors, investors, investors. Get this thru your thick noggin, new condo unit sales are bought NOT by immigrants, baby boomers or ordinary 'let's buy a house first time buyers. Listen up and you'll learn something for a change:

: 80% of all new housing condo units are bought by, guess who? INVESTORS!

2) The vast, vast majority of immigrants, millennials and first-time buyers have been priced out of the house purchasing market by INVESTORS!

They have been shut out of the housing market INVESTORS . Relegated by INVESTORS to searching and scouring the for rental units with obscene and unaffordable rates.

3) Expand your mind. NEW CONDO UNIT SALES, that being those that are not already sold and that are not already being built, but those units put up for pre-sales, have plunged
75%.

Are you in capable of understanding the difference from previously purchased housing units that are currently in the process of construction and/or development compared to new condo unit offers for sale?


4) There is a big disconnect, and you being a shining example of that disconnect, between prior sales which means cranes in the sky compared to current offerings for sale, which means projects have attempted to launch offers of sales. That means, with this current interest mortgage rate environment, new condo unit sales have collapsed and will stay collapsed for the foreseeable future.

5) It also means that property developers are going to sit on land and not build SHIT, for as long as it takes for their projects to return am obscene profit as usual.

6) So, with all of Dougs rig amaro and bullshit about building 150K housing units per year, which BTW is nothing but a scam and a sham, developers will NOT BUILD, even with the obscene robbing of wealth of Ontarians on behalf of Robbin' Doug to developers.
 
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They do not get paid through the summer or March break unless they are at work like the custodial staff. Your not knowing this tells me you do not have the facts but only assumptions.

I didn't expect Ford to let them have what they are asking for but considering they have not had a fair raise for a while, meeting them halfway and not bringing down the "notwithstanding clause" would have calmed the waters and kids would probably have been in school on Friday and returning to school on Monday.
What you talking about???...I do know they dont get paid in summers or March break my point is...they knew this geting into the job. They have not got a raise because they were over paid to begin with....they like the hrs and the freedom of time off, full benefits and great pension with decent pay...buddy i said lets agree to disagree...stop talking like your more intelligent then me pls. You must be a liberal and belong to a union or work in the public sector...my hard working tax dollars keep giving you ppl good pay and great jobs....thank Christ for Ford...ppl are sick of our tax dollars over paying these individuals...bottom line you dont like it go get another job...stop crying and using kids as bargaining chips...this convo is over ...thx for your opinion.
 

Butler1000

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You have no idea what exactly is going on.

1) Just who the f*ck do you believe has been ever increasingly gorging themselves upon this housing frenzy since the ultra-low interest rate policy since the Great Recession till the BoC ratcheting up of rates of late? It's not been immigrants, Jim and Judy millenials or ordinary Joe and Jane Q, first time house buying Canadian citizen. It has been investors, investors, investors. Get this thru your thick noggin, new condo unit sales are bought NOT by immigrants, baby boomers or ordinary 'let's buy a house first time buyers. Listen up and you'll learn something for a change:

: 80% of all new housing condo units are bought by, guess who? INVESTORS!

2) The vast, vast majority of immigrants, millenials and first tme buyers have been priced out of the house purchasing market by INVESTORS!

They have been shut out of the housing market and relegated by INVESTORS searching for rental units at obscene and unaffordable rates.

3) Expand your mind. NEW CONDO UNIT SALES, not already sold and being built condo units have plunged
75%.

Are you capable of understanding the difference from previously purchases housing units but not yet built or taken of possession of and new condo unit sales which means units offered for sale?


4) There is a bog disconnect, and you being a shining example of disconnect, between prior sales which means cranes in the sky, and current offerings, which means projects have launched and/or attempted to launch sales. That means, with this current interest mortgage rate environment, new condo unit sales have collapsed and will stay collapsed for the foreseeable future.

5) It also means that property developers are going to sit on land and not build SHIT, for as long as it takes for their projects to return am obscene profit as usual.

6) So, with all of Dougs riggamaroe and bullshit about building 150K housing units per year, which BTW is nothing but a scam and a sham, developers will NOT BUILD, even with the obscene robbing of wealth of Ontarians on behalf of Robbin' Doug to developers.
This year. And from way up numbers last year. Of course interest rates leveled things for a bit. But do you really think that will stop home buyers and investors? Not in the longer run.

And btw a plunge in new condo builds just means a catch up is occuring. And still means new ones are happening. Just less at the moment. The pandemic caused a slowdown due to no new immigrants.

The world is about to get worse. And Canada is considered a safe place to live and invest. Wait for that immigration backlog to clear. And watch.
 

danmand

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too funny
just yesterday you claimed public debt never has to be repaid
(you had better tell the managers of your pension fund- some of the biggest buyers of govt bonds)

your problem is you think in terms of how your idealist world should work, while ignoring the realities of the real world.

well higher interest rates & energy security are going to be the pricks that bursts your imaginary bubble world
get ready for a hard slap to the face, hopefully it will wake you up

you are the one who does not have a clue about how the world works.
It is tiresome to correct someone who cannot understand English, but I will do it this last time: I said that all western governments are in huge debts, that WILL never be paid back.
 
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basketcase

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Tiff Macklem, the Governor of the Bank of Canada, told private business in August not to increase salaries as it would exacerbate the inflation situation.. Why are Public Sector Unions exempt from his recommendation?
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basketcase

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This is a problem with our system. The pipeline is enforced. The funnel encouraged... Think of how many bright and capable minds are bypassed? Why are they bypassed? Many reasons...
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And having parents at home and available to take time off work to support them is one of the reasons. Your kids may have been fine with online learning but huge numbers of kids "have been bypassed".
 

basketcase

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Based on 6/hrs a day and all holidays summers off plus benefits and a good pension ...I wouɔd say its pretty dam good for no education...FYI - I do have the facts straight from an EA so mayne you should do some homework :unsure:
As I've mentioned before, most CUPE workers are salaried and don't get paid if they aren't at work. And a pension is pretty meaningless when based on a $39,000 salary.

Maybe you should get some education (maybe you need an educational assistant to help you).
 
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