Prominent conservatives issue 72 Page report rebutting Trump election claims

[Frankfooter]

That one sentence says it all about your analytical skills. I can't think of a single way that the Biden administration has outperformed the Trump administration. In fact, it's been quite the opposite. As Obama warned us (and he should know) we shouldn't underestimate Joe's ability to cock things up. Was Obama ever right about that!

Jobs.

Trump left with the biggest job loss since the great depression.
Biden now has the lowest unemployment numbers in decades.


Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 372,000 in June, and the unemployment rate remained at 3.6 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.

 

[jcpro]

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[bver_hunter]

Biden and Harris Would Both Beat Either Trump or DeSantis in 2024: Poll

The Echelon Insights survey also found a majority of voters don't want either Biden or Trump to be their party's nominees at the next election.

www.newsweek.com

 

[toguy5252]

Biden and Harris Would Both Beat Either Trump or DeSantis in 2024: Poll

The Echelon Insights survey also found a majority of voters don't want either Biden or Trump to be their party's nominees at the next election.

www.newsweek.com

This presupposes that trump would play by the rules. There is zero chance of that and perhaps slightly better than zero that DeSantis would.

 

[bver_hunter]

This presupposes that trump would play by the rules. There is zero chance of that and perhaps slightly better than zero that DeSantis would.

Well Trump as usual is already breaking the rules:

Democratic group sues U.S. election watchdog over Trump’s $100-million war chest

American Bridge complained in March to the Federal Election Commission about Trump’s Save America fund. Under U.S. law, the fund cannot be used to pay for the former Republican president’s own election campaign

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Valcazar]

That's so weird. I seem to recall a Supreme Court interfering with the democratic process just over 20 years ago...Who knows what would have happened if the court allowed the re-count instead of quashing it.

But that's different.
The court put a Republican in charge, so it was ok.
These courts didn't put a Republican in charge, so they are doing something wrong - Dutch Oven just knows it.

Here is the reality: There is zero evidence of massive election fraud. In fact, all the fraud that was uncovered seemed to have come from GOP voters. People who used their dead parent's ballots or voted in the wrong polling area, or voted twice.

That just proves that Democrats are much better at voter fraud, obviously.

All those court cases were thrown out because they lacked merit. They had no evidence, or the arguments those top gun lawyers made were not considered valid.

No.
All those court cases were thrown out because the judges were cowards or were corrupt.
The legal arguments brought by the Kraken group were very sound and solid and you could tell that by never reading what they submitted and just knowing that they were true.

But, we also know that the right's, and especially Trump's, hurt feelings are enough to pretend this was the greatest miscarriage of justice and the largest election fraud ever to be seen since the shenanigans of North Korea's last election. There is no smoke. Just a lot of people saying they thought they saw smoke, or expected to see smoke. And this was apparently enough for Trump to attempt a coup and insurrection.

The wrong people won, so things must have been tampered with.
Feelings over facts, man. That's how the law works in a properly functioning society.
As long as those feelings are feelings held by the right people, of course.

So, I ask this: what should be investigated? Is anyone surprised that Trump lost? I mean, he did such a piss poor job as President, especially during the COVID outbreak that millions of people voted for Biden. Some may have held their noses.

What should be investigated?
Things!
Important things!
That thing there! The thing that looks like smoke!

 

[Valcazar]

If my theory is someone is murderer, that I just have a feeling, that they leave their house for 9 hours a day, I'm not sure what they're doing...is not grounds to open an investigation. Ya need more.

But what if you swore under oath that you saw the guy leave the house!
Then that's an affidavit! You're an affiant!
Now that theory looks pretty good right!
You have an affidavit!

 

[Valcazar]

For a court that is now all about states rights, they sure crushed a state led initiative to count all the votes. So, I think that qualifies as interference. If they did nothing, then you would be right. But, they did step in to overrule a state supreme court. How is that not interference?

Look, the Supreme Court was so sure they did the right thing and it wasn't an obvious partisan move that they wrote right there in their own decision that the decision should not be cited as a valid legal principle for future decisions!

How can that not be a sign they didn't interfere?

You have to remember the Dutch Oven legal principle of "But my feelings!" is the only rational basis for a just society, silentkisser.

 

[Valcazar]

What was different in 2020? Lets see: Covid scare tactics, mail in voting, ballot harvesting, 4 years of MSM attacks, truckloads of ballots delivered to ballot counting stations in the wee hours, and, perhaps, some voting machine magic on machines that many states (and Canada) refuse to touch with a ten foot pole.

And somehow "Trump was actually president and not just a candidate with no track record" doesn't come into the list of "things that might be different in 2020".
So weird.
(And let's not get into "Hillary Clinton isn't Joe Biden" and "No election is conducted in the same context anyway" as simpler explanations.

 

[Valcazar]

All of the affiants in the various cases provided affidavits under oath, and were prepared to testify under oath at a trial. Didn't you know (or understand) that?

Do you?
Because I feel like you don't.

So, all 7,000 of these people have evidence that there was election fraud??? Or, are they swearing in an affidavit that they FEEL there was election fraud?

You know the answer.
Remember the Dutch Oven legal principle of "But my feelings!"

Like, here's an interesting question: If they actually investigated the veracity of all 7,000 of these affidavits, how many of those 7,000 would be facing perjury charges? If they were brought into court, how many would suddenly change their story?

Not that many.
Remember that many of these affidavits were submitted to courts.
They involved things like swearing that they saw a box that got moved by someone and they thought it was suspicious.
They won't get perjury charges for that.

Look at the infamous "suitcase full of ballots" incident.
There were absolutely people who probably swore under oath that they saw that container being taken out from under the table.
There is video of that container being taken from under the table.
It's just that that isn't a "suitcase" it's a properly secured ballot container and is being used and opened correctly and in an above board way.
Seven thousand people swearing they saw something real that they thought was bad but isn't doesn't mean that because they thought it was bad it suddenly is.

Seriously, this is pathetic. Trump lost. He lost by several MILLION votes. He lost because people recognized he was a terrible president who was only in it for himself. He lost because he couldn't provide leadership during a serious crises that he tried to downplay and ignore. He lost because Biden, despite his flaws, was a superior candidate.

Well, yes.
But people who vote for Democrats are illegitimate because Democrats are illegitimate.
Therefore we need more investigations because of feelings.

 

[Frankfooter]

Therefore we need more investigations because of feelings.

And a new theme song.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1549833967125217280

 

[mandrill]

The conversation goes where it goes but I can understand your distress- having someone remind you how badly Joe and his Democrat majority mismanaged, well, everything.

Actually they didn't.

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually they didn't.

totally

 

[bver_hunter]

This presupposes that trump would play by the rules. There is zero chance of that and perhaps slightly better than zero that DeSantis would.

There is one Republican that has credibility and speaks out at what she has believed to be a big lie. Trump will try desperately to have her voted out from the Senate during the nomination process.

Liz Cheney responds to Trump's efforts to defeat her - CNN Video

Former President Donald Trump and his allies are working to defeat Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) in her next election. Cheney talks with Jake Tapper about her reelection campaign and her plans for 2024.

www.cnn.com

 

[Valcazar]

There is one Republican that has credibility and speaks out at what she has believed to be a big lie. Trump will try desperately to have her voted out from the Senate during the nomination process.

Liz Cheney responds to Trump's efforts to defeat her - CNN Video

Former President Donald Trump and his allies are working to defeat Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) in her next election. Cheney talks with Jake Tapper about her reelection campaign and her plans for 2024.

www.cnn.com

Liz Cheney isn't in the Senate and she will almost certainly lose her primary.

 

[bver_hunter]

Liz Cheney isn't in the Senate and she will almost certainly lose her primary.

Meant House Representative. Yes, she is destined to lose for speaking the truth!!

 

[squeezer]

Rupert Murdoch's New York Post publishes scathing Trump critique

 

[Valcazar]

Rupert Murdoch's New York Post publishes scathing Trump critique

This is what is so interesting about this fight.
Murdoch didn't want Trump in 2016, but allied with him when it was obvious he was going to win.
He, and a lot of the GOP power players, want Trump out because they want someone who is less of a fuck up.
BUT - they don't want to be seen as the one sticking the knife into Trump, because he still has enough power that the person sticking the knife in will get fucked up by Trump's fans.
So they keep probing around the edges for weakness. They also now have a bunch of candidates who will do "Trumpism" without being Trump.
That's why they are pushing so hard on DeSantis.
In 2016, Trump was sui generis and the old "business patrician" model was shown to not have enough support from the base.
In 2022, Trump has a bunch of other people doing his bit. None of them have the level of support Trump does as the original, but they do have something to give those people who want the red meat.

I still think Trump wins if he runs, but it isn't the sure thing it was a while ago now that Murdoch and co. are trying to back another horse.
That said, if they can't break him enough to win in a crowded nomination field, they will pivot back to supporting Trump because there is no point in alienating him totally and letting the Dems win.

The best solution for the GOP is for Trump to die.
You get all the benefits of getting rid of him without any of the blame for pushing him out.
If they can make it look like "a crazed leftist" did it then even better.

 

[squeezer]

This is what is so interesting about this fight.
Murdoch didn't want Trump in 2016, but allied with him when it was obvious he was going to win.
He, and a lot of the GOP power players, want Trump out because they want someone who is less of a fuck up.
BUT - they don't want to be seen as the one sticking the knife into Trump, because he still has enough power that the person sticking the knife in will get fucked up by Trump's fans.
So they keep probing around the edges for weakness. They also now have a bunch of candidates who will do "Trumpism" without being Trump.
That's why they are pushing so hard on DeSantis.
In 2016, Trump was sui generis and the old "business patrician" model was shown to not have enough support from the base.
In 2022, Trump has a bunch of other people doing his bit. None of them have the level of support Trump does as the original, but they do have something to give those people who want the red meat.

I still think Trump wins if he runs, but it isn't the sure thing it was a while ago now that Murdoch and co. are trying to back another horse.
That said, if they can't break him enough to win in a crowded nomination field, they will pivot back to supporting Trump because there is no point in alienating him totally and letting the Dems win.

The best solution for the GOP is for Trump to die.
You get all the benefits of getting rid of him without any of the blame for pushing him out.
If they can make it look like "a crazed leftist" did it then even better.

Yup, you pretty much summed it up. I will add it will be very entertaining if Deathsantis decides to go all in for a presidential run. Imagine Trump vs Deathsantis on a stage ripping into one another. This would make for one hell of a reality show.

 

[Frankfooter]

The best solution for the GOP is for Trump to die.
You get all the benefits of getting rid of him without any of the blame for pushing him out.
If they can make it look like "a crazed leftist" did it then even better.

Isn't the best solution that rump spend the rest of the year on trial for Jan 6, Georgia and fraud and then end up in jail by 2024?
He'd still run from behind bars but would have a time even maintaining his base.