USSC strikes down Roe v Wade

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I’m sure glad that I was born in Canada. The USA is so dangerous and screwed up that I am surprised that people live there.
 

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I couldn’t care less if “pro choice” folks are pissed off today. Where were they when punitive vaccine mandates came into force? Pardon my visceral contempt for hypocrites with cognitive dissonance who want to impose their way on others. WHERE. WERE. YOU?!! Enjoy your meltdown.
tell us how you really feel
 
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Court decisions often can go either way. You win some and you lose some. At some point, the loser should just stop whining and bitching.

The worse example of a court override was when they nullified the results of a referendum (not very democratic, eh). To make matters worse, some activists stalked and harass the voters who they felt voted the "wrong" way.
2008 California Proposition 8 - Wikipedia
 

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You can’t justify killing babies.
yes you can. A ton of countries have done just that, including Canada. By the way babies will get killed anyway. Sometimes together with mothers. That's why a coat hanger is associated with abortion issue.
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Only uneducated whacks agreed with R vs W? There was no constitutional basis whatsoever. Whether for or against.
Sure as fuck confused the USSC back in the 1970's then. I guess your smarter and more knowledgeable about the US Constitution than that entire panel.
 

Valcazar

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And Uncle Thomas says the Supreme Court should reconsider rulings that protect access to contraception and same-sex marriage.

They just didn’t like Hillary. Welcome Christian Taliban
I have been saying they were going after contraception next for ages.
However, given that the anti-queer bigotry is making a come back and working for them, I think they might take out marriage equality first.
Interracial marriage will be done after Thomas dies.
 

Valcazar

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I'm actually amazed how quickly this happened to be honest. There was a leak of how things were shaping up maybe a month ago and now boom.

The vote was 6 to 3 right down party lines.

It's amazing to me that the United States was a more liberal nation 50 years ago than it is now.
The leak worked.
It got Roberts to switch over and support the complete repeal.
He must have felt a lot of pressure - maybe even physical threats.
 

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So outlaw contraception to adults?
Yes.
Well, allow states to outlaw contraception as they see fit.
The decision that said a state outlawing contraception except to married couples was unconstitutional set some of the legal precedent that was used in Roe.
That's part of the point of Thomas's opinion - the logic being used to reject Roe here leads equally to overthrowing that ruling as well, so states should be able to ban contraception.
Same logic means there that gay marriage should have no protection if the states or federal government want to ban it.
And, of course, states should be free to ban marriage between the races if they want.
 
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Valcazar

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I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas would want to reconsider Brown v Board of Education, it's not in the text of the Constitution.
Schools are highly segregated without having to overturn Brown so they probably won't bother.
 

Valcazar

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Biden said he's going to block that....
I'm not sure how, honestly.
The DOJ will file something against it, but the Court already let the earlier Texas law stand.
Unless they are going to try and put some sort of "the Federal government will arrest a state official implementing a law that punishes something in another state" rule in, which I don't think is possible (but I could be wrong).

The best the Feds could do is probably pass a law supporting some kind of abortion access at the Federal level, but I can't see it passing the Senate and I would expect the USSC to strike it down as unconstitutional for "reasons" anyway.
 

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Remember the selfish Ruth Bader Ginsburg as more liberal decisions are struck down by the SCOTUS. She had cancer and could have stepped aside and allowed Obama to pick a liberal successor. Instead she hung on and died on the court, allowing Trump to pick her conservative replacement. If there had been a tie, it is conceivable John Roberts would have voted to preserve Roe vs Wade as he had done on other contentious issues re Obamacare.
Yes and no.
Gutting Roe and Casey by whittling away the viability line and protections from undue burdens would have killed abortion in the majority of the states anyway. That was always Roberts's plan.
The main difference is that the 6-3 majority means they can just openly stop pretending they don't want to rule the way they want to rule, because the rest of the gang doesn't believe you need to preserve the public opinion of the court.

"Fuck you, try and stop us" is the new legal analysis.
 

Valcazar

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That's true, but I'm sure a states like Mississippi still has a grudge against Brown anyway.
Sure.
And it is clear that as they gain power, the idea of not showing off that power becomes more and more repugnant to them.
Yes, most schools in the US are segregated so if your goal is segregation then you should be ok with this.
But being able to declare them segregated - to pass the law and not even have to pretend it was just "something that happened" but be able to say "Fuck You, what are you going to do?" - that's a rush.
And people are going to want that.
I just don't think it is top of the list. They save that hit for when they've used up the other stuff.
 
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The pendulum swings left and right. It swung left for a really long time until folks got fed up with the antics of the left and elected Trump. The U.S. (and Canada) needed to move a little back to the centre.
 
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why did it get overturned - did someone(s) challenge it or did scotus pull it out of their arse?

There are a bunch of because we say so laws that just have no substance, evidence or need.

Control is at the root - and a dumb, distracted, fearful and stressed out populace make control methods work.

Anyway they can always come here - I'm sure jerkwad truedafuk will fund it with your money.
 
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I'm not sure how, honestly.
The DOJ will file something against it, but the Court already let the earlier Texas law stand.
Unless they are going to try and put some sort of "the Federal government will arrest a state official implementing a law that punishes something in another state" rule in, which I don't think is possible (but I could be wrong).

The best the Feds could do is probably pass a law supporting some kind of abortion access at the Federal level, but I can't see it passing the Senate and I would expect the USSC to strike it down as unconstitutional for "reasons" anyway.
If they won't eliminate the filibuster for this then the right wing will continue to win. Its that simple.

They won't do it because the fundraising emails are already out.
 
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