USSC strikes down Roe v Wade

Valcazar

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This isn't where they should be concentrating their voting. All this ruling has done is left it up to the individual States to make their own decisions.
And the GOP will pass a national law banning it the first chance they get.
They aren't hiding the agenda.
 

mandrill

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Hell, the US people are finally starting to lose their respect for the USSC.
Took them long enough.
It helps when the majority barely even tries to pretend its reasoning is any more than "Fuck you, we can do it now and always wanted to".
If the Dems ever get 2/3 of the Senate - not that they ever will - I would be considering impeachment proceedings for the USSC majority. You cannot misuse your appointment for political ends and blatantly overrule precedent without substantial scientific or social scientific evidence that gives you cause to believe that precedent is no longer viably evidence-based and is therefore out of date.
 

Darts

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"Because it's her body."

But, if she wants to also cut off her arm, would we as a society allow that? After all, it's her body.
 

Claudia Love

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"Because it's her body."

But, if she wants to also cut off her arm, would we as a society allow that? After all, it's her body.
I actually read an article about a man who had severe nerve pain he used a guillotine to cut his arm off so the answer is yes.
 

Valcazar

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Justice Roberts probably had the best approach. [...]

I think some Southern states think that the will of their people is to outlaw abortion. I think some of them will find otherwise in 2022.
Roberts's approach was designed to make Roe effectively useless while claiming to never overturn it and to reduce backlash against the movement and preserve the prestige of the court.
The rest of the gang doesn't care - they are there to impose their will and push forward the agenda as much as they can.
They don't like that moving fast like this is destroying the court's reputation, but they aren't as patient and calculating as Roberts is. Or maybe they just don't see the need in the same way - they think they should be rewarded for being Justices and don't understand that the court's prestige can be eroded - it is just supposed to always be there for them.

As for "the will of the people" - that doesn't enter into it.
At the state level, many of these legislatures are largely insulated from voter feedback.
Since they can't be voted out, the "will of the people" (or the voters) isn't a factor.
 

Valcazar

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The hypocritical Republicans and Fundamentalists think that abortion is all about murder of an unborn baby and the pregnant women who are involved are now criminals along with those carrying out the procedure.
No they don't.
They think abortion is "those sluts somehow tricking their way out of consequences for having sex we didn't tell them to have".
 

Valcazar

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If the Dems ever get 2/3 of the Senate - not that they ever will - I would be considering impeachment proceedings for the USSC majority. You cannot misuse your appointment for political ends and blatantly overrule precedent without substantial scientific or social scientific evidence that gives you cause to believe that precedent is no longer viably evidence-based and is therefore out of date.
Impeachment isn't a viable solution to anything with a 2/3 majority to convict.
It will be hard enough for the GOP to get that number, even with all their structural advantages.

That said, a fight about the Supreme Court and its role is long overdue and is probably going to have to happen.
 

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And if you went past headlines you would see they say this dates back to 2008, under the Liberals in the reduction in services. It also states it was a decision of the hospital, due to overall budgeting issues.

So no, there was no directive by any provincial govt, both Liberal and Conservative to cut abortion access. And in fact there is no data that a single abortion needed was not performed, just that they reduced some of the time in any week it was available.

Some dodgy site who wait 7+ paragraphs to tell the truth is not a good link. Thats the scam, then use filler opinion knowing most people won't read past it. Then tell the truth for plausible denial.
 
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Claudia Love

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And if you went past headlines you would see they say this dates back to 2008, under the Liberals in the reduction in services. It also states it was a decision of the hospital, due to overall budgeting issues.

So no, there was no directive by any provincial govt, both Liberal and Conservative to cut abortion access. And in fact there is no data that a single abortion needed was not performed, just that they reduced some of the time in any week it was available.

Some dodgy site who wait 7+ paragraphs to tell the truth is not a good link. Thats the scam, then use filler opinion knowing most people won't read past it. Then tell the truth for plausible denial.
Listen O Toole the fool said he was pro choice. But conservatives always lean to the religious woing nuts when social conservatives hand out 10k votes for example. Ford IMO would touch this issue so I wouldn't get to know it all. Because conservatives are known to bow for votes.
 

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It is a well established fact that the number of abortions in a given population is almost independent of the laws for and against abortion.
Women who do not want a child will 1) if poor go to a dangerous underground "clinic", or self administer dangerous substances or methods or 2) if well off travel to a jurisdiction that allows abortion.

In 2019 there were about 630,000 abortions in USA. In 2023 there will be about the same number of abortions. Sadly, more women will have complications from unsafe abortions.
 
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jcpro

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Thomas writes that gay marriage, gay sex and contraception are going to lose their constitutional protection as soon as they get to the USSC.

JC better stay away from ladyboys when he goes back to the USA is all I can say. Sex is going to essentially be outlawed in every red state within the next 5 years. The only person you'll be allowed to fuck is your wife and the only time you'll be allowed to fuck her is to make babies. No blowjobs. No anal.

Americans are going to end up in jail for looking at porn videos.
ROTFLMFAO!! Pay for play is illegal in most states as it is in Canada.
 

Butler1000

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Listen O Toole the fool said he was pro choice. But conservatives always lean to the religious woing nuts when social conservatives hand out 10k votes for example. Ford IMO would touch this issue so I wouldn't get to know it all. Because conservatives are known to bow for votes.
And o'Toole is gone. Ford has clearly stated he won't touch it or even entertain debate about it in the Legislature. It is not in any way under threat in Canada. It's too very different and distinct legal systems and governance. And two different constitutions and Supreme Courts.

Changing the fight to this distracts from the real fight down south. Its stupid cheap partisanship.

Stop crwating a fake fight and donate to Planned Parenthood if you actually want to make a difference
 

Claudia Love

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And o'Toole is gone. Ford has clearly stated he won't touch it or even entertain debate about it in the Legislature. It is not in any way under threat in Canada. It's too very different and distinct legal systems and governance. And two different constitutions and Supreme Courts.

Changing the fight to this distracts from the real fight down south. Its stupid cheap partisanship.

Stop crwating a fake fight and donate to Planned Parenthood if you actually want to make a difference
What disgusts me so much is a man can rape a woman in the US OF A and force her to be in his life. these are barbaric times. Ford brought back sex education from the 90s in public schools so he best keep abortion available.
 
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jcpro

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Yes, that's an objective way to look at things in a Constitutional Republic. As an American, I have never been jazzed up about State's Rights and having fifty different rules and regulations. There are times when I think California and other States are out of their mind. State's Rights often doesn't show America at its best. On personal and privacy matters, it would seem to be more saner in the 21st century to have one uniform law.

Justice Roberts probably had the best approach. Allow Mississippi to have its 15 week limit, but do not overturn Roe versus Wade. Justice Thomas on the other hand showed himself to be the ideologue he truly is. He tries to use the Constitution as a bludgeon for social conservatives. Do we really want the fifty State's all legislating on contraceptives and anal sex again?

I think some Southern states think that the will of their people is to outlaw abortion. I think some of them will find otherwise in 2022.
I don't disagree and I'm 100% pro choice with limits, but that's nothing extraordinary as most developed countries have limits on abortion. But, if you want a federal mandate to enshrine abortion as a "right", America must follow the constitutional way via the amendment process or no one will be happy. We would be amiss, of course, if we failed to state the obvious- abortion is 90% about politics and 10% about women's reproductive rights. For that reason alone judges have no business having the final word on the matter.
 

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And Uncle Thomas says the Supreme Court should reconsider rulings that protect access to contraception and same-sex marriage.

They just didn’t like Hillary. Welcome Christian Taliban
I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas would want to reconsider Brown v Board of Education, it's not in the text of the Constitution.
 
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