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Tamara Lich has been denied bail

mandrill

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You're proof that a law degree is no guarantee of good sense.

I'll give you a second chance. Do you really find it unreasonable for the average person to believe that a judge committed enough to the welfare of the Liberal Party to run as its candidate is likely biased toward a ruling that would provide political support for the current Liberal government's recent heavy handed actions? Or do you believe that Lich's alleged criminal activity (public mischief) is such a dire threat to society that such persons simply cannot remain free, even though alleged murderers and rapists can? See if you can answer without the meaningless "the law is....".
About 50% of the Bench probably has an affiliation to either the Liberals or the Tories. They swear an oath to be impartial. A reasonable person would accept that oath, unless the judge was him / herself directly involved in the facts of the case.
That's also a direct statement of the law of judicial bias.


Do you really believe that the standard of bias, or reasonable apprehension of bias, as applied by the courts is aligned with any commonly held view of bias? Or is it really more aligned with (in my view) maximizing the the opportunity of judges to play a role in politics while maintaining the laughable pretense that ordinary human beings can be relied upon to set aside their political and personal leanings simply by throwing on a black robe?
It's aligned with what judges and lawyers believe is appropriate and proper behaviour when accepting a judicial appointment. So it's the appropriate standard.
 
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About 50% of the Bench probably has an affiliation to either the Liberals or the Tories. They swear an oath to be impartial. A reasonable person would accept that oath, unless the judge was him / herself directly involved in the facts of the case.
That's also a direct statement of the law of judicial bias.



It's aligned with what judges and lawyers believe is appropriate and proper behaviour when accepting a judicial appointment. So it's the appropriate standard.
You are wasting your breath. The Alt-Righties believe anyone in their field of expertise know NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH and should be challenged at every word.

Doctors, OH GOD, never see a doctor if you're not feeling well. They are part of big Pharma
Lawyers, never ever discuss law and believe a word they say because they are all crooks
Scientist, fuck them, totally useless folks, just like snowtires in Winter.
Teachers, all leftie union lazy whiny crybabies who know nothing about educating kids
MSM- LIARS!!!!!! LIARSSSSSSSS!!!!

have I left anyone out?
 
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About 50% of the Bench probably has an affiliation to either the Liberals or the Tories. They swear an oath to be impartial. A reasonable person would accept that oath, unless the judge was him / herself directly involved in the facts of the case.
That's also a direct statement of the law of judicial bias.
This is an example of making an argument that undermines your position.

You claim that 50% of the Bench have deep ties to a political party - meaning ties akin to having run as a candidate? Setting aside whether that is actually true, that's certainly not true of the general population. You're making the case that Judges are far more political than the average person. That would entrench concerns about political bias, not lessen them in the mind of a reasonable person.

Also, since the political affiliations you speak of would distribute across party lines, and since personal liberty was at issue, you'd think the chief justice could have ensured that someone without ties to the current government sat on this particular case. You know, so it might at least look fair. Instead of smelling to high heaven, particularly against the backdrop of bail being granted to similar accused.

It's aligned with what judges and lawyers believe is appropriate and proper behaviour when accepting a judicial appointment. So it's the appropriate standard.
Lawyers decided this should be the law, so it must be right. Perfectly circular. Ah, the social perils of self-regulating professions!

p.s. I knew you couldn't reply without resorting to a claim of law as your authority. Didn't I make it clear enough that what lawyers think is bias is not aligned with the much more commonly held (and reasonable) view?
 
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Why does everyone who says stuff like this sound a lot more hateful than those they accuse?
It is not coincidental that the Proud Boys, an ultra right wing white supremacist group were founded in Alberta and their America chapter was instrumental in the January 6, 2021 failed coup attack on the White House. Trump failed to criticize this group before and after the attack.

If Trump was the POTUS now, the Alberta based hate groups would have been even better financed and further emboldened and definitely less cooperation from Washington with the siege and blockade would have come.

The Emergency Measures Act was needed yesterday. I am certain that CSIS is aware of other seditious and treasons machinations and their underwriters that they are not releasing information about at this time
 
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It is not coincidental that the Proud Boys, an ultra right wing white supremacist group were founded in Alberta and their America chapter was instrumental in the January 6, 2021 failed coup attack on the White House. Trump failed to criticize this group before and after the attack.

If Trump was the POTUS now, the Alberta based hate groups would have been even better financed and further emboldened and definitely less cooperation from Washington with the siege and blockade would have come.

The Emergency Measures Act was needed yesterday. I am certain that CSIS is aware of other seditious and treasons machinations and their underwriters that they are not releasing information about at this time
Hateful nonsense.
 
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The part which was missing the looting arson and violence
The part which was missing the blocking of pipelines and railways
The part which was missing the burning of churches

None of which precipitated the emergencies act
Alberta should be welcomed and encouraged to export oil east but not their vile, ignorant and self righteous criminal enterprises and organizations like Lich,King et al. who are treasonous.
Why do these poor Odin worshipping lost souls feel so self righteous as to think that they can stage a coup against the elected government of Canada and then govern by divine right and siege occupation?
 
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Butler1000

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The only thing she's calling for is the tracking of money. It's something we already do to combat money laundering. But there are loopholes, and closing them is the only permanent thing they want to do.
Tracking money given for protest. Does this mean you support this for all types of protest? Say if an environmental group chains themselves somewhere then all donations can subject the donors to financial lockdowns?

This is unprecedented.
 

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Tracking money given for protest. Does this mean you support this for all types of protest? Say if an environmental group chains themselves somewhere then all donations can subject the donors to financial lockdowns?

This is unprecedented.
Actually, they would be tracking all types of money transfers, including cryptocurrencies. It really has nothing to do with the protests, it's about organized crime and terrorisim (with a slice of tax evasion as well). There were loopholes in our coverage for this, and the Feds want to close it. Imagine a scenario where terrorists could use a GoFundme like service to launder cash to fund a terror attack. Or organized crime uses this method to launder and repatriate cash for drug deals or what not. Now, there is some issue with Cryptocurrencies. I don't know how they can regulate a peer-to-peer transaction...
 

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This is an example of making an argument that undermines your position.
You claim that 50% of the Bench have deep ties to a political party - meaning ties akin to having run as a candidate? Setting aside whether that is actually true, that's certainly not true of the general population. You're making the case that Judges are far more political than the average person. That would entrench concerns about political bias, not lessen them in the mind of a reasonable person.
Also, since the political affiliations you speak of would distribute across party lines, and since personal liberty was at issue, you'd think the chief justice could have ensured that someone without ties to the current government sat on this particular case. You know, so it might at least look fair. Instead of smelling to high heaven, particularly against the backdrop of bail being granted to similar accused.

Lawyers decided this should be the law, so it must be right. Perfectly circular. Ah, the social perils of self-regulating professions!
p.s. I knew you couldn't reply without resorting to a claim of law as your authority. Didn't I make it clear enough that what lawyers think is bias is not aligned with the much more commonly held (and reasonable) view?
Except.... the layman's view doesn't factor in 500 years of unwritten rules in the legal and judicial professions as to how things should be done and are done.
 

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Actually, they would be tracking all types of money transfers, including cryptocurrencies. It really has nothing to do with the protests, it's about organized crime and terrorisim (with a slice of tax evasion as well). There were loopholes in our coverage for this, and the Feds want to close it. Imagine a scenario where terrorists could use a GoFundme like service to launder cash to fund a terror attack. Or organized crime uses this method to launder and repatriate cash for drug deals or what not. Now, there is some issue with Cryptocurrencies. I don't know how they can regulate a peer-to-peer transaction...
Which in a free society doesn't happen without a warrant. Its that simple.
 
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Which in a free society doesn't happen without a warrant. Its that simple.
You're right, it is simple. A free society does this all the time, and has done it well before the Emergency Act. Financial institutions, from your bank to your insurance company, are required to keep track of where your payments come from. You've likely heard about the $10,000 threshold, where if someone deposits that amount at one time, they are required to notify regulators, who might launch an investigation. That's just one thing. These law exists to either prevent money laundering or other criminal activity. There are no warrants or legal judgements, just the law that requires it. And most countries have laws like this.

For financial matters, your local bank can easily freeze your account without a warrant. Hell, they do it each and every day to people across the country. It could be because of suspicious activity to prevent your savings being stolen, or because you didn't pay your service fees or make your credit card payment. The CRA can also do that if you don't pay your taxes, and can do it without a judge's approval

And shit like this happens all the time without a warrant. In the US, they have civil forfeitures. Average citizens with no evidence of a crime have seem millions of dollars confiscated by the police. Heck, the cops targeted armoured card that were collecting cash from legal marijuana shops in California and Kansas and "stealing" the cash under federal statues.

All this can happen without any court orders, warrants or legal justification. This happened before the Emergency Act. It will continue afterwards.
 

Butler1000

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You're right, it is simple. A free society does this all the time, and has done it well before the Emergency Act. Financial institutions, from your bank to your insurance company, are required to keep track of where your payments come from. You've likely heard about the $10,000 threshold, where if someone deposits that amount at one time, they are required to notify regulators, who might launch an investigation. That's just one thing. These law exists to either prevent money laundering or other criminal activity. There are no warrants or legal judgements, just the law that requires it. And most countries have laws like this.

For financial matters, your local bank can easily freeze your account without a warrant. Hell, they do it each and every day to people across the country. It could be because of suspicious activity to prevent your savings being stolen, or because you didn't pay your service fees or make your credit card payment. The CRA can also do that if you don't pay your taxes, and can do it without a judge's approval

And shit like this happens all the time without a warrant. In the US, they have civil forfeitures. Average citizens with no evidence of a crime have seem millions of dollars confiscated by the police. Heck, the cops targeted armoured card that were collecting cash from legal marijuana shops in California and Kansas and "stealing" the cash under federal statues.

All this can happen without any court orders, warrants or legal justification. This happened before the Emergency Act. It will continue afterwards.
And this expansion is curtailing the right to donate to political causes. One person breaks a window and it can be used as a hammer.
 

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The bail hearing has been held and she was ordered detained.

What you suggest was undoubtedly considered by the bail court judge. The judge decided not to go with that. And no, not political posturing. With someone who is organizing illegal shit at a high level, it's always an important question whether they will just keep on phoning, texting and emailing and doing bad shit if released.
Since when is legitimate protest illegal shit? What fucking cosmic bunny hole have you lefties fallen into? Just because you don't agree with them and want to remain cucks of the government, doesn't make their cause illegal.
 

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Since when is legitimate protest illegal shit? What fucking cosmic bunny hole have you lefties fallen into? Just because you don't agree with them and want to remain cucks of the government, doesn't make their cause illegal.
Did they have permits?
 

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The vile seditious hate group, many emanating from Alberta with ties to like minded groups in America are treasonous and need to be exterminated. Lich and King should be charged with treason....
...and, if convicted, publicly hung on Parliament Hill. Make an example of them.

The fact that Canada has no death penalty might put a crimp in those plans.
 
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