Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority

[basketcase]

Can you not even read your own poll, basketcase?
Only 5 of 1116 (or whatever the total is) said they would give up their Israeli/Jerusalem nationality cards to live as stateless refugees.
Only 5 people answered that they would prefer to carry the Palestinian Authority ID and that they are willing to give up their current ID

I'll give you a math quiz. Which number is bigger, 1116 or 5?

1116 out of 1200 said that their preferred future is living under Israeli rule. Pathetic that you still try to make excuses just because Palestinian self-determination runs counter to what your and your elitism want them to do.

 

[Frankfooter]

Again you pretend Jews are terrorists for throwing stones but Hamas are engaged in self defense. Why are you incapable of admitting there is such a thing as terrorism from a small number of Palestinians? Instead you try and call me racist for admitting there is terrorism on both sides

If you believe there is terrorism on both sides you should join my call for both sides to be held to the law by the ICC based on human rights organizations.
If you are against terrorism and believe both sides have committed these acts, why won't you support 3rd party investigations?

Unless your claims are a farce.....

 

[Frankfooter]

I'll give you a math quiz. Which number is bigger, 1116 or 5?

1116 out of 1200 said that their preferred future is living under Israeli rule.

1116 of 1200 said they wouldn't live as stateless refugees, which is what living under the PA means.
Why do you think they would prefer to live as stateless refugees?

 

[basketcase]

1116 of 1200 said they wouldn't live as stateless refugees, which is what living under the PA means.
Why do you think they would prefer to live as stateless refugees?

Sorry but you can't make up what surveys say simply because the Palestinians disagree with you (yet again).

 

[basketcase]

If you believe there is terrorism on both sides ...

Yet you still refuse to admit there is such a thing as a Palestinian terrorist.. Hmm.

 

[Frankfooter]

Sorry but you can't make up what surveys say simply because the Palestinians disagree with you (yet again).

From the survey.
Only 5 people answered that they would prefer to carry the Palestinian Authority ID and that they are willing to give up their current ID

That's only 5 of 1116 who would give up their ID to live as stateless refugees.
Such a big win for Israel, likely why this will be the next campaign.

Why Palestinians should demand Israeli citizenship

Reclaiming all of Palestine, not just the 1967 territories, should be a top priority for Palestinians everywhere

www.middleeasteye.net

Yet you still refuse to admit there is such a thing as a Palestinian terrorist.. Hmm.

Strawmanning.
As you say.

NGO monitor is all in a tizzy today.
There is an Amnesty report on Israel that looks to be released very soon.

And a vote coming up at the UN.
You've got your work cut out for you.

Israel's "top priority" mission to discredit UN human rights probe

Israeli officials say they are highly concerned that the UN commission’s report will refer to Israel as an "Apartheid state."

www.axios.com

 

[basketcase]

From the survey.
Only 5 people answered that they would prefer to carry the Palestinian Authority ID and that they are willing to give up their current ID
...

Your anti-democratic arguments to ignore what Palestinians say are quite pathetic. So elitist of you to ignore what 93% of them want simply because you reject their self-determination when it doesn't suit you.

Do you consider it terrorism when Jews throw rocks or firebombs at random Palestinians because of their ethnicity?
Do you consider it terrorism when Palestinians throw rocks or firebombs at random Jews because of their ethnicity?

But of course you will come up with all kinds of convoluted, nonsensical excuses why Jews should be treated as terrorists while claiming it is the right of Palestinians to commit those acts.

 

[Frankfooter]

Your anti-democratic arguments to ignore what Palestinians say are quite pathetic. So elitist of you to ignore what 93% of them want simply because you reject their self-determination when it doesn't suit you.

Do you consider it terrorism when Jews throw rocks or firebombs at random Palestinians because of their ethnicity?
Do you consider it terrorism when Palestinians throw rocks or firebombs at random Jews because of their ethnicity?

But of course you will come up with all kinds of convoluted, nonsensical excuses why Jews should be treated as terrorists while claiming it is the right of Palestinians to commit those acts.

Your poll said 93% didn't want to live as stateless refugees.
Congrats on the success of your apartheid system.

Now you're attempting to move the goal posts. First you were calling settlers committing acts you label as 'terrorism' 'random Jews'.
Now you're trying to say its only those targeted you're using that label on.

Just support a call for both sides to be investigated by the ICC over all acts you'd call 'terrorism'.
Let the ICC and the rule of law decide.

Then support a call for the end of apartheid and for equal rights.
Its time to end apartheid.

 

[basketcase]

Your poll said 93% didn't want to live as stateless refugees.
Congrats on the success of your apartheid system.

Now you're attempting to move the goal posts. First you were calling settlers committing acts you label as 'terrorism' 'random Jews'.
Now you're trying to say its only those targeted you're using that label on.

Just support a call for both sides to be investigated by the ICC over all acts you'd call 'terrorism'.
Let the ICC and the rule of law decide.

Then support a call for the end of apartheid and for equal rights.
Its time to end apartheid.

Wow, you didn't even pretend to answer my question.

Do you consider it terrorism when Jews throw rocks or firebombs at random Palestinians because of their ethnicity?
Do you consider it terrorism when Palestinians throw rocks or firebombs at random Jews because of their ethnicity?


p.s. the poll is 100% clear. 93% of East Jerusalem Arabs surveyed want Israel to remain in control. Even going to the original Arabic source and using google translate says the same.

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you consider it terrorism when Jews throw rocks or firebombs at random Palestinians because of their ethnicity?
Do you consider it terrorism when Palestinians throw rocks or firebombs at random Jews because of their ethnicity?

I don't like the word 'terrorism'.
That's your word.

Targeting civilians is a war crime and both sides should be investigated for all war crimes, crimes against humanity and apartheid reported by:
Amnesty
Human Rights Watch
B'stelem
Yesh Din
UN

Investigate both sides and take them to the ICC for charges.

End apartheid.
Enact sanctions on Israel.

 

[basketcase]

I don't like the word 'terrorism'.
...

You have used it thousands of times to describe actions by Jews but when it comes to Palestinians (or any other anti-Israel group), you don't like to use it

Why do you refuse to use the same terminology for Palestinians throwing rocks as you do for Jews throwing rocks?

...

Targeting civilians is a war crime and both sides should be investigated for all war crimes, crimes against humanity and apartheid reported by:
Amnesty
Human Rights Watch
B'stelem
Yesh Din
UN
...

Yet instead of condemning Palestinians who do that you call it self defense.

 

[AndrewX]

This is funny. Amnesty international didn't get the memo. Palestinians prefer apartheid? Amnesty is full of shit.
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Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority

 

[Frankfooter]

This is funny. Amnesty international didn't get the memo. Palestinians prefer apartheid? Amnesty is full of shit.
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Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority

Not you too!

Basketcase posted this poll as well, check the translation of the original poll as what it really says is that 93% of Palestinian residents of Jerusalem won't give up their identity cards to live as stateless refugees under the P.A.

 

[AndrewX]

Not you too!

Basketcase posted this poll as well, check the translation of the original poll as what it really says is that 93% of Palestinian residents of Jerusalem won't give up their identity cards to live as stateless refugees under the P.A.

I saw the Amnesty thread and this thread and it made me laugh. Its not the first time that they had polls on borderline Palestinian villages, they wanted to stay in Israel. (60 minutes) If its so bad why would they want to stay under terrible apartheid. Spare me.

 

[Frankfooter]

Its not the first time that they had polls on borderline Palestinian villages, they wanted to stay in Israel. (60 minutes) If its so bad why would they want to stay under terrible apartheid. Spare me.

Amnesty, B'tselem, the UN and HRW all say that there are 4 different versions of apartheid under Israeli rule.
Behind the green line - which has systematic racism, different laws etc
Jerusalem - a different system here, with more active ethnic cleansing
West Bank - where Palestinians live as stateless refugees with separate roads and infrastructure
Gaza - where Palestinians live under the worst form, full on blockade, control of water, food, power and resources

Why would anyone want to move one level down into a worse form of apartheid?

 

[AndrewX]

Amnesty, B'tselem, the UN and HRW all say that there are 4 different versions of apartheid under Israeli rule.
Behind the green line - which has systematic racism, different laws etc
Jerusalem - a different system here, with more active ethnic cleansing
West Bank - where Palestinians live as stateless refugees with separate roads and infrastructure
Gaza - where Palestinians live under the worst form, full on blockade, control of water, food, power and resources

Why would anyone want to move one level down into a worse form of apartheid?

Who cares what these political clowns say, these Palestinians speak for themselves. 93% of Palestinians that want to stay in Israele speaks volumes

 

[basketcase]

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Basketcase posted this poll as well,...

Wow Captain oblivious. In case you missed it, that poll was the topic of the thread (and it wasn;t started by me).

Sadly you ignore what the poll actually says because once again you reject any minority's opinion if it conflicts with your dogma.

As the poll says, 93% of Arabs in East Jerusalem want Israel to remain in control. Of course you have to lie about the poll and instead fixate on the fact that of the 7% who want PA rule in the future, only 0.4% are willing to follow through on their desires.

Again, most of the people actually involved prefer Israeli rule.

 

[Frankfooter]

Who cares what these political clowns say, these Palestinians speak for themselves. 93% of Palestinians that want to stay in Israele speaks volumes

This is what Palestinians say.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1489644120394145793

 

[Frankfooter]

Wow Captain oblivious. In case you missed it, that poll was the topic of the thread (and it wasn;t started by me).

Sadly you ignore what the poll actually says because once again you reject any minority's opinion if it conflicts with your dogma.

As the poll says, 93% of Arabs in East Jerusalem want Israel to remain in control. Of course you have to lie about the poll and instead fixate on the fact that of the 7% who want PA rule in the future, only 0.4% are willing to follow through on their desires.

Again, most of the people actually involved prefer Israeli rule.

I know that's the only poll you can spin into pretend good news, but having 7% say they don't want the next worse form of apartheid is hardly good news.
But hey, compared to this poll, no wonder you keep reposting this same, false claim.

75% of Palestinians say Israel is apartheid.

New all population Israeli-Palestinian survey: 45% of those living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea believe “apartheid” is an appropriate description of the regime

 

[basketcase]

This is what Palestinians say.
...

That's dumb. Your post is what some people in the UK say.

Palestinians in the West Bank say they don't want to become Israeli. Amnesty says they must.
Palestinians in East Jerusalem say they want Israeli rule continued. You say they don't because of what 0.4% of them say.
Israeli Arabs want to remain Israeli. Amnesty says that can't be true because Israel is Apartheid.

Pretty clear both you and Amnesty are just western elitists who don't care what the people involved actually want.