Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority

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The headline you claim is 'obviously biased' posts the numbers you include in your chart.
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Yes, it pretends that "somewhat fits" means "it's completely true".

But interesting you suddenly are concerned with what Palestinians think because you completely ignore what they want? Do you also admit that 93% of East Jerusalem Arabs want Israel to continue in charge and that only 6% of Palestinians prefer the one state peace you want to force them into? How about the 38% of Palestinians who support attacks on Israeli civilians inside Israel (though thankfully that's down from the 50.1% in September)?

Speaking of straw men, why do you keep pretending I think criticism of Israeli is anti-semitic? Thankfully most people who criticize Israel don't fit so many criteria of Canada's definition of anti-semitism.

 

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Yes, it pretends that "somewhat fits" means "it's completely true".

Nice limbo performance.
So now its ok if Israeli is 'somewhat' apartheid.
Now much lower do you think you can go?

How much apartheid is too much for you?

Speaking of straw men, why do you keep pretending I think criticism of Israeli is anti-semitic? Thankfully most people who criticize Israel don't fit so many criteria of Canada's definition of anti-semitism.

Because you posted the IHRA definition of antisemitism which includes suggesting that saying Israel is apartheid is antisemitic.

IHRA ‘misrepresents’ own definition of anti-Semitism, says report

New report details how International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance misinformed public over anti-Semitism definition.

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Are you know disavowing this definition?

 

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Nice limbo performance.
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Like trying to avoid the fact that Arab Israelis and East Jerusalem Palestinians want to remain Israeli while West Bank Palestinians hate the idea or the dance you're doing in the other thread to avoid exposing your double-standard on terrorism?


And no surprise that you and Al Jazeera don't like Canada's definition of anti-semitism.

 

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And no surprise that you and Al Jazeera don't like Canada's definition of anti-semitism.

And Independent Jewish Voices of Canada.
Actually the list of people that take offence to the IHRA definition is quite long now.
I'm surprised that you back it, since by those terms you are now also an antisemite, as are 25% of Israeli and US Jews who acknowledge that Israel is apartheid.

But I guess you're stuck with it, as trying to shut down debate is all you've got against charges of apartheid.

You refused to answer the question you posed.
How much apartheid is now acceptable to you?

 

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And...

I'll take the government of Canada over some fringe group or Al Jazeera..

More importantly, you're still trying to tell Palestinians and Israeli Arabs what they should want and are silent about them hating your ideas.

 

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I'll take the government of Canada over some fringe group or Al Jazeera..

I'll take the views of Canadians over any one political party.

Survey: Regarding ICC, Canadians Reject Double Standard for Israel

Click here to read the full report (PDF) Montreal, September 16, 2020 — Amid growing controversy over a possible International Criminal Court (ICC) investigation into Israel, newly published results from a survey conducted by EKOS Research Associates show that Canadians do not want Israel to be

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Canadians want both sides held to the law and basic human rights supported.
Canadians do not support apartheid.

 

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I'll take the views of Canadians over any one political party.
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Wow. Another study you didn't read? Doesn't change Canada's definition of anti-semitism that you keep checking the boxes on.

Canadians also respect that if 93% of East Jerusalem Arabs want Israel to stay in charge of Jerusalem, if the vast majority of Israeli Arabs want to remain Israeli, and the vast majority of Palestinians don't want to de Israeli. Canadians don't take the colonial view of ignoring the will of the people there, refusing to hold them accountable, and trying to enforce their will on another people.

 

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Canadians also respect that if 93% of East Jerusalem Arabs want Israel to stay in charge of Jerusalem

You are making things up again.

 

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You are making things up again.

You think Canadians reject the democratic will of the people the way you do?

Israelis, both Arab and Jewish wish to remain Israeli and Palestinians don't want to be Israeli no matter what you want to force them into.

 

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You think Canadians reject the democratic will of the people the way you do?

Canadians support the rule of law and are against apartheid.
What democracy?
Its apartheid where millions of Palestinians live as stateless refugees under Israeli rule.
That's not democratic, that's apartheid.

 

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Canadians support the rule of law...

And that's why they support Israeli Arabs who want to remain part of Israel.

Your whole 'apartheid' argument fails completely on many levels, mostly because West Bank and Gaza Palestinians don't want to be Israeli no matter how much you want to force them.

 

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And that's why they support Israeli Arabs who want to remain part of Israel.

Your whole 'apartheid' argument fails completely on many levels, mostly because West Bank and Gaza Palestinians don't want to be Israeli no matter how much you want to force them.

Your poll only showed that Palestinians living in Jerusalem don't want to live as stateless refugees in the West Bank.
As that's worse apartheid than in Jerusalem.
That's why the said they wouldn't want to give up their nationality cards.

Go ahead and show me a poll that says Palestinians want to live under apartheid and for the occupation to continue.
If you can't, you'll have to admit your claim is nonsense.

Just end apartheid and end the occupation.
Settler colonialism is racism.

 

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Your poll only showed that Palestinians living in Jerusalem don't want to live as stateless refugees in the West Bank.
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Sorry but your alternate reality isn't fooling anyone. 93% of them said they want Israel to continue controlling East Jerusalem. Just another case you ignore self-determination when it doesn't fit your obsession.

 

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Sorry but your alternate reality isn't fooling anyone. 93% of them said they want Israel to continue controlling East Jerusalem. Just another case you ignore self-determination when it doesn't fit your obsession.

93% said they wouldn't give up their nationality cards.
But I guess that's as close to a poll you can find saying Palestinians like living in apartheid.

Doesn't it worry you that's the closest to good news you've got, that Palestinians in Jerusalem don't want to give up their nationality cards to live as stateless refugees?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1479076827616489483

 

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93% said they wouldn't give up their nationality cards.
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You obviously only read your own inventions. 93% want Israel to remain in control over East Jerusalem.


The survey asked respondents whether they supported continued Israeli control of the city or a transfer of it to the Palestinian Authority.

Of the 1,200 Arab residents queried, 1,116 said that they preferred the former. Only 84 respondents answered that they would prefer the city to be under the responsibility of the PA, although they also noted that they would refuse to give up their Israeli identity cards and/or residency documents.

Only five respondents said they would prefer to carry PA identity cards.


And of course knowing the facts are against you and self-determination desires, you just start quoting tweets from counterproductive groups that are also a front for anti-semitism (at least according to Canada).

 

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You obviously only read your own inventions. 93% want Israel to remain in control over East Jerusalem.

Only five respondents said they would prefer to carry PA identity cards.

Your own quote says that they don't want to give up their nationality cards and take PA identity cards where they would have to live as stateless refugees under apartheid occupation.
Read your own story.

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

 

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Your own quote says that they don't want to give up their nationality cards and take PA identity cards where they would have to live as stateless refugees under apartheid occupation.
Read your own story.

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

Very desperate of you.

1200 people were surveyed.
1116 said they want Israel to continue in control of East Jerusalem
79 people would prefer PA control of Jerusalem but wanted to keep status.
5 said they they wanted PA control and would follow through.

But sure, ignore 1116 out of 1200 people because you don't like what their self-determination says.

 

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Very desperate of you.


Only five respondents said they would prefer to carry PA identity cards.

This is the message of the poll, that Palestinians in Jerusalem don't want to live as stateless refugees in the West Bank or Gaza.
Somehow you think this is good news.

But hey, I understand that if that's the best poll you can find that you'll keep going with it.

Genocide, apartheid? A poll Israel cannot allow itself to ignore

Nobody who knows the reality in Israel could possibly believe it is committing genocide against the Palestinians. Yet 22% of US Jews apparently do. Alarm bells should be ringing

www.timesofisrael.com

 

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This is the message of the poll, that Palestinians ...

Every time you post you prove that your alleged morals only apply if it harms Israel.

1116 out of 1200 East Jerusalem Arabs want Israel to continue ruling East Jerusalem but you happily ignore what they want using 5 people as an excuse. Either you don't understand how democracy works or you don't care about Arabs when they disagree with you.

 

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Every time you post you prove that your alleged morals only apply if it harms Israel.

1116 out of 1200 East Jerusalem Arabs want Israel to continue ruling East Jerusalem but you happily ignore what they want using 5 people as an excuse. Either you don't understand how democracy works or you don't care about Arabs when they disagree with you.

I'm still laughing that you think its such great news for Israel that Palestinians in Jerusalem don't want to give up their nationality cards and live like stateless refugees.
Why don't you commission a poll to see how many would prefer living in Jerusalem to a prison?
You might even get higher support for Israel on that one.

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