Is Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever?

[Frankfooter]

This gets tiring Frank. For the last two years, I have literally asked you politely not respond to my posts unless you are responding to my words directly. If you are debating with jcpro, respond to jcpro. If you are adding a new thought, just post it without citing others' posts. Is this an unfair request?

Wyatt, you specifically responded to my post then used my name in another reply.
Its ridiculous of you to reply to me and quote me and then request I don't reply.

Frank has a longer history with some of us over several years. You just jump into a thread and think you've got the whole picture.

Please tell me what of my request is unreasonable. I asked him to only respond to my words and he keeps trying to go back to some form of the same argument. If he got lost in the thread as to who was saying he what, he could just say that. I've apologized here for misunderstanding posts.

The absurdity begins when Frank thinks he has everyone figured out and starts debating with them with non sequiters. This isn't a new thing. If you follow my posts here, I have never once blamed the Biden Administration for the current U.S. economy. I can't be more clear than that.

You have actually emboldened him of late because he thinks his bad form has a supporter. In the past, he would just do his best Vinny Barbarino impression "What? Where?". When jcpro or another conservative member get it on with someone here, none of us feel the need to protect them.

Again, if you're going to interrupt conversations with false claims, be prepared to be called out on it.
And if you're going to accuse people of non-sequiturs, learn to spell it and understand how to follow single conversations in a multi person thread.
At this point it just looks like you're trying to troll me.

 

[mandrill]

You keep going on as his big brother and intervene in all his school ground tussles.

He actually makes pretty good points.

I would get over your habit of freaking out and objecting to everything he says and instead read what he writes and engage with the ideas.

 

[mandrill]

I think these are excellent points of difference. I still think there is a lot of sausage being made behind the scenes that give you a false sense of comfort. Why would Winston Churchill feel compelled to say “Democracy is the worst system, except for all the other systems”?

If the U.S. had a parliamentary system, it is most likely BBB wouldn't have even come forward. That's the biggest part of this. This would have all been debated at a closed door party session. Justin Trudeau and Boris Johnson don't craft legislation in a vacuum and roll it out for for a vote in Parliament. They have to balance the factions in their own party.

I'm not sure I want all this consensus. It seems artificial at times. A few years back, I cited an article that criticized Chancellor Merkel's ability to maintain control by co-opting the positions of the Social Democrats when it was convenient. The Germans had consensus, but not a robust competition of ideas. They had a Chancellor who held on to power for 16 years. That might seem like political nirvana, but Americans wouldn't want that system. I believe the U.K. Parliament has far more contention than Canada. These things go through cycles.

I think a lot of us down admire Senators like Manchin and McCain who buck their party's leaders. I'm sure someone here has commented on the media hypocrisy where Manchin is a goat, but McCain was a hero when he stood up to the party.

I wasn't aware that there were factions in the Liberal Party. You have to understand that the overall governing style and approach of both parties in Canada was created in the period 1930 - 1950 and has remained consistent. It features heavy government involvement in health care, a very large social safety net and a massively pro immigration policy. Both major parties embrace these values. The NDP also embraces these values, but would take them even further.

In Canada, you do not have the massive distance between left and right that you have in the US. The entire Canadian political spectrum starts around the right wing of the Democratic Party and flows to somewhere left of AOC.

There are also not "blue states" and "red states". There is no Senate. Saskatchewan and Alberta are antagonistic towards Ottawa, but that is largely regionalism. As is Quebec of course.

There is not the duality of political philosophy that you get in the US. No one in Canada gives a fuck about Jesus. And people are casual and low-key about patriotism and waving the flag. That subtracts that whole issue about the South and Midwest seeing things differently to the city folk on the coasts.

There is no significant history of racial tensions and slavery in Canada. There is no "inner city". There are no segregated neighbourhoods. There is no massive urban gun crime issue. There is no 2nd Amendment.

Rural Canadians are more conservative than city folk. But - aside from SK - Canada is an overwhelmingly urban country. So the small towners lose and they are not numerous enough for their resentment to be milked and exploited.

There's just not a lot to fight about up here.

 

[Leimonis]

That's because the position among the common sense people - what you call "the Left" - is that you can't go socialize in public areas without being vaxxed.

I am so looking forward to again dining in while they are not allowed to enter it is also perfect for screening SBs for vax - you don't even have to ask yourself.

 

[WyattEarp]

He actually makes pretty good points.

I would get over your habit of freaking out and objecting to everything he says and instead read what he writes and engage with the ideas.

I'm a stickler for holding one to responding to my post's words not what one projects my beliefs and opinions to be. I get tired of the automatic tribal and binary take on things.

Frank can make any point he wants, but don't be having a false debate with me (i.e. inflation = it is a problem and Biden isn't to blame).

I really didn't care much to debate him on it, but his non sequiter point that jobs growth is strong under Biden is factual but also quite a bit inane. The U.S. and Canada shut down businesses during COVID and now they are allowing them to reopen and rehire people.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Everyone knew that Joe was full of shit when he went after the previous administration for mishandling Covid just as all knew he had no solutions. He knew it also, yet he was the one who hitched his horse to that cart. Sorry, it may be unfair, but that's how it works.

Actually the truth is that everyone knows that jc is full of shit about everything

 

[mandrill]

I'm a stickler for holding one to responding to my post's words not what one projects my beliefs and opinions to be. I get tired of the automatic tribal and binary take on things.

Frank can make any point he wants, but don't be having a false debate with me (i.e. inflation = it is a problem and Biden isn't to blame).

I really didn't care much to debate him on it, but his non sequiter point that jobs growth is strong under Biden is factual but also quite a bit inane. The U.S. and Canada shut down businesses during COVID and now they are allowing them to reopen and rehire people.

Seriously?...

Reading your posts is like reading a constant litany written by a pompous dude who knows almost nothing about most of the topics he posts on, but is willing to claim they all "prove" that the GOP and right is pretty wonderful and the Dems and left all full of shit losers. The most you can say for yourself is that you make most of this crap up yourself, instead of taking it straight from Fox like most of your friends.

 

[Frankfooter]

Frank can make any point he wants, but don't be having a false debate with me (i.e. inflation = it is a problem and Biden isn't to blame).

I really didn't care much to debate him on it, but his non sequiter point that jobs growth is strong under Biden is factual but also quite a bit inane. The U.S. and Canada shut down businesses during COVID and now they are allowing them to reopen and rehire people.

The inflation debate is just as inane, since inflation at present is being cause by companies that shut down during the pandemic and the resultant lower production. So saying one counts and one doesn't because it runs counter to your narrative is dishonest arguing. During the rump years the right wingers here all said the economy was great when the market was high and unemployment low. But rump left the US with the greatest job loss since the depression, due to covid, and Biden has not messed it up since. So now jobs are coming back, like they are here, the market is doing fine though inflation is up. Either you admit you're cherry picking points to make a claim or you admit that since covid effects count then rump was the worst economic POTUS in history and Biden the best since post war. And if you're taking covid stats into account then he's doing just about fine.

Really the big questions are what happens to governments in the years to come with this big blip of debt. Seems they just take the hit, cut services like heck or use this as chance to redo the economy for a post carbon world. Except we know what happens when they know the asteroid is coming.

And its 'non-sequitur'.
If you're going to keep accusing me, please learn to spell it.

 

[jcpro]

Actually the truth is that everyone knows that jc is full of shit about everything

Can't refute, go after the poster. ROTFLMFAO!!

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Can't refute, go after the poster. ROTFLMFAO!!

Guess I stole that one from your oppressor/heros playbook lol

 

[jcpro]

Guess I stole that one from your oppressor/heros playbook lol

No, you just have nothing to say.

 

[WyattEarp]

Seriously?...

Reading your posts is like reading a constant litany written by a pompous dude who knows almost nothing about most of the topics he posts on, but is willing to claim they all "prove" that the GOP and right is pretty wonderful and the Dems and left all full of shit losers. The most you can say for yourself is that you make most of this crap up yourself, instead of taking it straight from Fox like most of your friends.

If it makes you feel better or if it makes you feel your opinions are more superior to generalize about my posts, that's your prerogative. I think anyone truly paying attention knows I don't jump to partisan talking points. Even if I lean Republican, I don't automatically champion the Republicans or criticize the Democrats. You might find that confounding because most members here take on more extreme partisan views.

My personal opinion is that you are very smart. However, it appears to me that you have a rigid political perspective whereby you are uncomfortable or irritated with people who challenge your worldview. It's also possible that you believe the American news you read and hear is unbiased. Who am I to challenge these experts, yes?

And yes, your post above can easily be deemed as hostility and intimidation. I don't think pomposity here comes from posting thoughts and ideas. From my recollection, I have never put you down you or your thoughts.

 

[toguy5252]

If it makes you feel better or if it makes you feel your opinions are more superior to generalize about my posts, that's your prerogative. I think anyone truly paying attention knows I don't jump to partisan talking points. Even if I lean Republican, I don't automatically champion the Republicans or criticize the Democrats. You might find that confounding because most members here take on more extreme partisan views.

My personal opinion is that you are very smart. However, it appears to me that you have a rigid political perspective whereby you are uncomfortable or irritated with people who challenge your worldview. It's also possible that you believe the American news you read and hear is unbiased. Who am I to challenge these experts, yes?

And yes, your post above can easily be deemed as hostility and intimidation. I don't think pomposity here comes from posting thoughts and ideas. From my recollection, I have never put you down you or your thoughts.

"Biden's puppet master ... " Yes truly indicative of someone who does not spout GOP talking points.

 

[WyattEarp]

The inflation debate is just as inane, since inflation at present is being cause by companies that shut down during the pandemic and the resultant lower production. So saying one counts and one doesn't because it runs counter to your narrative is dishonest arguing. During the rump years the right wingers here all said the economy was great when the market was high and unemployment low. But rump left the US with the greatest job loss since the depression, due to covid, and Biden has not messed it up since. So now jobs are coming back, like they are here, the market is doing fine though inflation is up. Either you admit you're cherry picking points to make a claim or you admit that since covid effects count then rump was the worst economic POTUS in history and Biden the best since post war. And if you're taking covid stats into account then he's doing just about fine.

Frank, do you even read my posts before commenting? This is what I am talking about. You are making counterpoints to points that I have never made.

And its 'non-sequitur'.
If you're going to keep accusing me, please learn to spell it.

Frank, now you are just being an obnoxious troll. It could have taken you five seconds to check this yourself below.

Definition of NON SEQUITUR

an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

non se·qui·tur
/ˌnän ˈsekwədər/
noun
noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs

Seriously mandrill, am I suppose to put up with this nonsense? If one throws a punch in the schoolyard, their big brother shouldn't jump in if the guy punches back.

 

[Leimonis]

Why would Winston Churchill feel compelled to say “Democracy is the worst system, except for all the other systems”?

because the voters mostly are dumb as fuck?

 

[Frankfooter]

Frank, do you even read my posts before commenting? This is what I am talking about. You are making counterpoints to points that I have never made.

You don't listen, do you?

I really didn't care much to debate him on it, but his non sequiter point that jobs growth is strong under Biden is factual but also quite a bit inane.

I directly replied to that statement.
The problem is you have no answer.

Frank, now you are just being an obnoxious troll. It could have taken you five seconds to check this yourself below.

The hyphen is acceptable, spelling it with an 'e' is not.

I'm a stickler for holding one to responding to my post's words.....I really didn't care much to debate him on it, but his non sequiter

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[jcpro]

He is now.

Rock bottom: Biden's net favorable rating now lower than Trump's

hotair.com

 

[WyattEarp]

You don't listen, do you?

I directly replied to that statement.
The problem is you have no answer.

The hyphen is acceptable, spelling it with an 'e' is not.

Okay, I have to spell it with a "U". I'm not sure why you concerned about spelling. I think it might be similar to Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies. The longer an on-line discussion goes on the more likely one of the participants will turn focus on minor spelling errors.

As far as inflation and jobs growth, you are all over the place in making arguments. Let me give you an overview because you refuse to stay in context with one who has no idea why you are challenging them.

Inflation is a problem. The Federal Reserve essentially admitted this. I have never blamed the Biden Administration for the 2021 inflation spike here or on any other threads.

You on the other hand continue to argue the inflation issue with me. You might have even said it wasn't a problem. jcpro, do you want to take up this inflation debate with Frank? He's apparently looking for a dance partner.

Now let me switch to my opinion. If we dismiss the idea that inflation is Biden's fault in his first year, then it's a bit inconsistent to give the Biden Administration a lot of credit for recent jobs growth. I don't think anyone would argue that political leaders get both blamed or credit for things that aren't under their direct control. You wouldn't be the first one to try to make a case that your preferred candidate is responsible for only good things that happened under his watch. In fact, it's one of the basic arts of political parties in any political system.

But honestly, I really do find discussing current U.S. or Canada jobs growth inane. COVID is distorting the world economies in a major way.....down, up, sideways. That's exactly why I am not even arguing with anyone that there are Biden policies behind inflation.

 

[Frankfooter]

Now let me switch to my opinion. If we dismiss the idea that inflation is Biden's fault in his first year, then it's a bit inconsistent to give the Biden Administration a lot of credit for recent jobs growth. I don't think anyone would argue that political leaders get both blamed or credit for things that aren't under their direct control. You wouldn't be the first one to try to make a case that your preferred candidate is responsible for only good things that happened under his watch. In fact, it's one of the basic arts of political parties in any political system.

But honestly, I really do find discussing current U.S. or Canada jobs growth inane. COVID is distorting the world economies in a major way.....down, up, sideways. That's exactly why I am not even arguing with anyone that there are Biden policies behind inflation.

I'm amused that your opinion is to echo what I argued as if it were a new idea.

 

[jcpro]

Okay, I have to spell it with a "U". I'm not sure why you concerned about spelling. I think it might be similar to Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies. The longer an on-line discussion goes on the more likely one of the participants will turn focus on minor spelling errors.

As far as inflation and jobs growth, you are all over the place in making arguments. Let me give you an overview because you refuse to stay in context with one who has no idea why you are challenging them.

Inflation is a problem. The Federal Reserve essentially admitted this. I have never blamed the Biden Administration for the 2021 inflation spike here or on any other threads.

You on the other hand continue to argue the inflation issue with me. You might have even said it wasn't a problem. jcpro, do you want to take up this inflation debate with Frank? He's apparently looking for a dance partner.

Now let me switch to my opinion. If we dismiss the idea that inflation is Biden's fault in his first year, then it's a bit inconsistent to give the Biden Administration a lot of credit for recent jobs growth. I don't think anyone would argue that political leaders get both blamed or credit for things that aren't under their direct control. You wouldn't be the first one to try to make a case that your preferred candidate is responsible for only good things that happened under his watch. In fact, it's one of the basic arts of political parties in any political system.

But honestly, I really do find discussing current U.S. or Canada jobs growth inane. COVID is distorting the world economies in a major way.....down, up, sideways. That's exactly why I am not even arguing with anyone that there are Biden policies behind inflation.

Completely agree. Today's inflation is not entirely Biden's fault. I'm saying "not entirely " because in the year he's been in office he has done nothing to arrest it. Even worse, when it first became an issue he tried to spin it away. However, it doesn't really matter. On the fiscal policy and the broad economic issues the President in the office gets the blame or the credit.