Is Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever?

Butler1000

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Latest CNBC polling has him at about 44% approval rating. And dropping. And this includes the economy and Covid response.
 

WyattEarp

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Yes, you jumped into a discussion between jcpro and I and then called it a non-sequitur when I carried on with the discussion you interrupted.
As if discussing economic performance was only about inflation and not any other economic metric like say, jobs.
I have no idea what you are explaining. There can be several conversations going on within a thread at one time. I try to tailor my response to the post that is quoted above.

The fact that you kept going on with your line of argument after I pointed out the clear non sequiter suggests you don't know how to converse with proper forum etiquette. It's kind of like not listening to others and only hearing what is in your own head.
 

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I have no idea what you are explaining. There can be several conversations going on within a thread at one time. I try to tailor my response to the post that is quoted above.

The fact that you kept going on with your line of argument after I pointed out the clear non sequiter suggests you don't know how to converse with proper forum etiquette. It's kind of like not listening to others and only hearing what is in your own head.
No, its like having a conversation with someone at a party then a third person jumps in starts rambling about something else and then accuses you of a 'non-sequitur' for trying to continue the conversation.
So of course you have no idea what you did.

Feel free to go back through the posts and try to follow the conversation.
 

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I am not emotional invested in American politicians and have no reason to be. However this seems to be like a sore nerve say something negative about Biden and you guys come with personal insults in groups and drivel derailing the OP off track and piling on thinking bullying and making it personal will prove a point or scare the conversation away.
If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black nothing is. You are the biggest know-it-all, lecturing hypocrite I've ever seen on this or any other site. Your complete lack of self awareness should be embarrassing to you, but then again you know it all don't you.
 
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WyattEarp

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Wyatt, 100's of new laws go into effect every year in every jurisdiction, if you factor in small regulatory changes. If you count every section of a reg or a statute as a separate "law", you're probably up in the 10's of thousands. That's in every jurisdiction in every country in the developed world.
The article refers to the State of California enacting new laws. Anyone who has spent time in California knows that it is the most regulated state in the Union. I don't know how California regulation compares to the various Canadian provinces. I hear Quebec is a highly-regulated province.

So back to my post, I wouldn't want to wake-up in California in the new year and read about all the new laws and regulations in the L.A. Times. If you find that I am criticizing Progressive Democrats, yes that is my point.


And explain how the US health care system is better again. This should be fun.

And the people who don't have health care coverage through their workplace? Would these be single moms by any chance?.... I guess getting pregnant counts as "personal negligence" in Republican-land.

How about recently graduated college students who have not yet found a decent job and don't have the $$$ for health insurance?... Lotta "personal negligence" there as well?

I could go on and on with that list of "personally negligent" persons, couldn't I?
I don't think I have ever said the U.S. healthcare system in better than the Canadian healthcare system. It's certainly different and I don't like the crazy patchwork of coverage.

As far as your criticisms of the U.S. healthcare system, much of this was addressed by Obamacare over ten years ago. The Federal government expanded coverage for many and compelled the uninsured with means to buy insurance. We obviously don't have the Canadian system where everyone is provided the same government health insurance.
 
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WyattEarp

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Latest CNBC polling has him at about 44% approval rating. And dropping. And this includes the economy and Covid response.
I'm not sure what more the Biden Administration could do with COVID response. Americans are just frustrated with the virus and its variants. Many of the vaccinated are frustrated with the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are angry with govt. and employer mandates. The unvaccinated feel that they are unfairly blamed for the continuing outbreaks.
 

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I'm not sure what more the Biden Administration could do with COVID response. Americans are just frustrated with the virus and its variants. Many of the vaccinated are frustrated with the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are angry with govt. and employer mandates. The unvaccinated feel that they are unfairly blamed for the continuing outbreaks.
It is a projection of the general distrust the USA population has for its governance. And yes as well the lack of basic knowledge of how things work.
 

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The article refers to the State of California enacting new laws. Anyone who has spent time in California knows that it is the most regulated state in the Union. I don't know how California regulation compares to the various Canadian provinces. I hear Quebec is a highly-regulated province.

So back to my post, I wouldn't want to wake-up in California in the new year and read about all the new laws and regulations in the L.A. Times. If you find that I am criticizing Progressive Democrats, yes that is my point.




I don't think I have ever said the U.S. healthcare system in better than the Canadian healthcare system. It's certainly different and I don't like the crazy patchwork of coverage.

As far as your criticisms of the U.S. healthcare system, much of this was addressed by Obamacare over ten years ago. The Federal government expanded coverage for many and compelled the uninsured with means to buy insurance. We obviously don't have the Canadian system where everyone is provided the same government health insurance.
It really wasn't. Between copays, deductables, lack of choice in many states, and no price controls on drugs, procedures, and over medicating/testing due to kickbacks it still costs a shit ton more per capita for worse outcomes.

And there are still what at least 30 million with no coverage? And many with only catastrophic due to the copays. As well look at the overbilling when you go to the wrong health provider.

Its just as shitty as ever unless you are rich.
 

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I'm not sure what more the Biden Administration could do with COVID response. Americans are just frustrated with the virus and its variants. Many of the vaccinated are frustrated with the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are angry with govt. and employer mandates. The unvaccinated feel that they are unfairly blamed for the continuing outbreaks.
Hey, I agree with you!
 

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I'm not sure what more the Biden Administration could do with COVID response. Americans are just frustrated with the virus and its variants. Many of the vaccinated are frustrated with the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are angry with govt. and employer mandates. The unvaccinated feel that they are unfairly blamed for the continuing outbreaks.
Everyone knew that Joe was full of shit when he went after the previous administration for mishandling Covid just as all knew he had no solutions. He knew it also, yet he was the one who hitched his horse to that cart. Sorry, it may be unfair, but that's how it works.
 

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The article refers to the State of California enacting new laws. Anyone who has spent time in California knows that it is the most regulated state in the Union. I don't know how California regulation compares to the various Canadian provinces. I hear Quebec is a highly-regulated province.

So back to my post, I wouldn't want to wake-up in California in the new year and read about all the new laws and regulations in the L.A. Times. If you find that I am criticizing Progressive Democrats, yes that is my point.
I believe you missed the point of my post, which is that ALL jurisdictions enact literally hundreds of new laws each year. That's whether they are "progressive democrats" or "regressive republicans". Modern life is simply quite complicated and I suspect there is little difference in the sheer volume of new legislation between administrations at either end of the political spectrum.
 

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Everyone knew that Joe was full of shit when he went after the previous administration for mishandling Covid just as all knew he had no solutions. He knew it also, yet he was the one who hitched his horse to that cart. Sorry, it may be unfair, but that's how it works.
What is Biden supposed to do, JC?

Again, this is political whining. All countries face similar challenges and Biden's are complicated by the refusal of most GOP administrations to enact mask and vaxx mandates.
 

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What is Biden supposed to do, JC?

Again, this is political whining. All countries face similar challenges and Biden's are complicated by the refusal of most GOP administrations to enact mask and vaxx mandates.
Actually, political whining is when a leader makes promises and then he and his acolytes believe it to be unfair to hold him to them.
 

WyattEarp

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OK, if nobody else will, maybe you can explain the philosophical conundrum when the conservatives prevents Biden from enacting any change and then attacks him for being ineffectual.

Don't you see the problem?

And while you are at it, please also be so kind as to explain why Americans were so stupid as to elect Biden, whom they surely knew well.
The Conservative Republicans aren't able to block any Biden legislation. You're being too idealistic about any political system U.S. or parliamentary. The Moderate Democrats really don't want the Progressive's Build Back Better plan. One would have to be naive that it is only Manchin preventing this. As a Senator who is very popular in his state, he's taking the heat for the Moderates. Manchin would not be primaried like some other Moderates if they didn't vote with the Progressive agenda.

On the other hand, Moderate Democrats won't go out on their own and build a legislative coalition with Moderate Republicans to pass moderate legislation.

I'm sure you have these tensions in parliamentary system. I think in reality much of these tensions in the American system are played out in the public eye. In a parliamentary system, I suspect intra-party battles are handled behind closed doors. You are just not used to seeing the sausage being made.
 

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The Conservative Republicans aren't able to block any Biden legislation. You're being too idealistic about any political system U.S. or parliamentary. The Moderate Democrats really don't want the Progressive's Build Back Better plan. One would have to be naive that it is only Manchin preventing this. As a Senator who is very popular in his state, he's taking the heat for the Moderates. Manchin would not be primaried like some other Moderates if they didn't vote with the Progressive agenda.

On the other hand, Moderate Democrats won't go out on their own and build a legislative coalition with Moderate Republicans to pass moderate legislation.

I'm sure you have these tensions in parliamentary system. I think in reality much of these tensions in the American system are played out in the public eye. In a parliamentary system, I suspect intra-party battles are handled behind closed doors. You are just not used to seeing the sausage being made.
Virtually everything you have just posted is a denial of fact. Sounds good but completely wrong.
 
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Oh, you people are so disarmingly naive- like the kindergarten show and tell. The GOP is not in power. It actually got no say in pretty much anything. If they win back Congress, it will be because of the Democratic failures not because the Republicans are so beloved! The problem is- you people can see the Biden/Democrats shit show and the implosion of a presidency.... but you can't place the blame in the correct spot. So, thread after thread, you keep embarrassing yourselves by pretending that Trump's still in power and the GOP is the power on the Hill. Here's the reality. Biden is not running anything, his sitters are incompetent and the Democratic Party is fractured and infected with extremists.
This might partially explain how the political forums here and elsewhere on the net have become so aggressive. The Progressives first got emboldened with a 2020 victory. This year the reality that governing is a lot more difficult than criticizing set in. This seems to have hit the typically idealistic Progressives hard. I don't think Americans voted for a Progressive agenda in 2020 so there's that problem too in enacting legislation.

I've said that Biden gets unfairly blamed for some things, but that's the nature of being in charge. The liberal press is becoming more objective in its coverage of the Biden Administration. For over a month, the Washington Post has been criticizing the Biden Administration's handling of the Southern border.
 

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Virtually everything you have just posted is a denial of fact. Sounds good but completely wrong.
You have not offered a counterpoint. The mantra Republicans are blocking the Democrat's legislation is both a cop out and simply poltical rhetoric heading into the midterms.

You also need to be a little more introspective. If the majority party held a slim advantage in a parliamentary system, I guarantee you they are having to deal with their Moderates behind closed doors. A Progressive agenda would not even be discussed publicly let alone make it to the floor.
 
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You have not offered a counterpoint. The mantra Republicans are blocking the Democrat's legislation is both a cop out and simply poltical rhetoric heading into the midterms.
Easy to prove.

Please post the number of times that Republican senators have voted for dem bills this year.
 

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You have not offered a counterpoint. The mantra Republicans are blocking the Democrat's legislation is both a cop out and simply poltical rhetoric heading into the midterms.
1. because of the filibuster a simple majority of one party or the other is not enough to pass legislation. In some limited circumstances they can use the reconciliation process, however, the House parliamentarian has ruled that those circumstances are very limited.

2. Who ate the 10 moderate GOP members you are referring to. With 2 exceptions they all bend the knee. Even when their are momentary hints of a spine they eventually make their pilgrimage to Mar a Lago to kiss the ring. I agree that there is some intransigence on the part of the progressives but look at the Bill that was passed compared to what the ask started out as and they did compromise. The GOP on the other had virtually always votes in lock step.
 
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