Everything you said, makes sense in some context.
It however does not explain how one Democratic Senator from West Virginia is blocking the Build Back Better plan.
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It however does not explain how one Democratic Senator from West Virginia is blocking the Build Back Better plan.
Because the BBB is using the budget reconciliation process which only requires 50 votes. therefore Manchin can prevent them achieving that threshold. If the reconciliation process process is not available then they need 60 votes. And GOP member who voted with the Dems would be primaried.
This gets tiring Frank. For the last two years, I have literally asked you politely not respond to my posts unless you are responding to my words directly. If you are debating with jcpro, respond to jcpro. If you are adding a new thought, just post it without citing others' posts. Is this an unfair request?
It would seem that most everyone else understands that forum etiquette. Also, are you really that clueless to see that there are many conversations going on here at one-time? I don't think you are a troll. Trolls are actually more self-aware.
I'll debate the color of the sky with you all day, but I'm tired of the shit where I say the sky is blue and you respond out of left field with the the grass is green. If we want to know the price of tea in China, we know who not to ask.
I think you are starting with the presumption that the Build Back Better plan is popular with the electorate. This colors how you view the political dynamic in the U.S. Emergency spending packages have been passed with the support of both parties under Trump and Biden.
The big picture is Joe Manchin is not the only Democratic Senator blocking BBB. He is just the face of the intra-party opposition.
Ok, buddy. Who are the other moderates who are blocking this?
Manchin's clout is that he's a blue senator in a deep red state and will simply cross the floor if sanctioned by his own party. That gives the Dems no leverage w Manchin at all and he can do what he wants for essentially whatever reason. Whether the BBB is "deeply unpopular" or not with other Dems, there's no indication that they are refusing to vote for it. Presumably if they were, there would be a united front with Manchin either publicly or semi-publicly with numerous leaks to the Press.
I don't perceive any such united front. So I don't think it actually exists. It's just yet another one of your talking points that's build out of thin air.
You know, Wyatt. Every time I actually start to think you might have some redeeming qualities, you post something like this and my original take on you is restored.
It has nothing to do with whether or not it is popular and i disagree with your assessment in any event. The Dems need 50 and Manchin and sinema are neys.
And by the way The American Rescue Plan had 0 GOP support even though many are taking credit.
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Stop spreading your bullshit. There isn't one Fox network host telling viewers to not get vaccinated.Its almost like they are single handedly intentionally losing that demographic battle they call the 'white genocide'.
All those vaccinated Fox hosts telling their viewers not to get vaccinated.
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You're probably wrong in that assumption and I'll explain why.
1. Parliamentary systems don't have the same 2-party "big tent" approach as the US.
2. MP's don't raise their own war chests in Canada and don't have the same degree of "fuck you!" independence as in the US.
3. Political careerism in Canada is based on pleasing those in control of your party, not on direct access to the media and fund-raising.
4. The major parties in Canada have somewhat similar economic policies in any event.
5. Canada is a pragmatic country and is not as ideological as the US. There is a premium placed on consensus and "working together to get the job done". Doesn't exist these days in the US.
They don't have the balls to come right out and do that. So they tell the viewers "It's your own choice!" which amounts to close to the same thing.
Actually, most of them are completely open about their vaccine status as was Dr. Malone on the Joe Rogan podcast. The narrative is pretty consistent- your decision to vaccinate is between you, your doctor and your conscience. The problem on the left is the same as the problem on the right, neither side is actually listening.
That's the thing in every democracy. Politicians can publicly support things they don't have to actually stand for on a vote.
In my opinion, BBB is far too Progressive. Sure, like most legislation there are some popular items, but there is also widely unpopular aspects. Let's put this into the realm of realpolitik. A moderate Democratic Senator from a purple state can publicly say he supports BBB. And thus, they won't be primaried. Because of Senator Manchin, there is no actual vote on legislation and the moderate Democratic Senator now has a better shot at winning the general election. In the end, this might help the Democrats hold on to the Senate in 2022. And that's how the sausage is made.
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That's because the position among the common sense people - what you call "the Left" - is that you can't go socialize in public areas without being vaxxed.
Frank has a longer history with some of us over several years. You just jump into a thread and think you've got the whole picture.
Please tell me what of my request is unreasonable. I asked him to only respond to my words and he keeps trying to go back to some form of the same argument. If he got lost in the thread as to who was saying he what, he could just say that. I've apologized here for misunderstanding posts.
The absurdity begins when Frank thinks he has everyone figured out and starts debating with them with non sequiters. This isn't a new thing. If you follow my posts here, I have never once blamed the Biden Administration for the current U.S. economy. I can't be more clear than that.
You have actually emboldened him of late because he thinks his bad form has a supporter. In the past, he would just do his best Vinny Barbarino impression "What? Where?". When jcpro or another conservative member get it on with someone here, none of us feel the need to protect them.
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I like that. A bold Frankfooter keeps you on your toes, Wyatt.
He usually makes more sense than you do.
I think these are excellent points of difference. I still think there is a lot of sausage being made behind the scenes that give you a false sense of comfort. Why would Winston Churchill feel compelled to say “Democracy is the worst system, except for all the other systems”?
If the U.S. had a parliamentary system, it is most likely BBB wouldn't have even come forward. That's the biggest part of this. This would have all been debated at a closed door party session. Justin Trudeau and Boris Johnson don't craft legislation in a vacuum and roll it out for for a vote in Parliament. They have to balance the factions in their own party.
I'm not sure I want all this consensus. It seems artificial at times. A few years back, I cited an article that criticized Chancellor Merkel's ability to maintain control by co-opting the positions of the Social Democrats when it was convenient. The Germans had consensus, but not a robust competition of ideas. They had a Chancellor who held on to power for 16 years. That might seem like political nirvana, but Americans wouldn't want that system. I believe the U.K. Parliament has far more contention than Canada. These things go through cycles.
I think a lot of us down admire Senators like Manchin and McCain who buck their party's leaders. I'm sure someone here has commented on the media hypocrisy where Manchin is a goat, but McCain was a hero when he stood up to the party.
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You keep going on as his big brother and intervene in all his school ground tussles.
