Is Joe Biden after 10 months: Worst president ever?

[Frankfooter]

On the fiscal policy and the broad economic issues the President in the office gets the blame or the credit.

So then:
Trump - worst job losses since the depression
Biden - best job growth in decades

 

[WyattEarp]

So then:
Trump - worst job losses since the depression
Biden - best job growth in decades

Trump did take blame from U.S. voters in Nov. 2020. If the election was held at the beginning of 2020, I think it would have been a narrow victory for Trump.

Biden will likely get some credit for job growth. However, do you really believe the U.S. is having the best job growth in decades? Do you really think that's how it is perceived be Americans? You don't think people are smart enough to see that States with Republican Governors are getting back to work faster? I wouldn't want to debate what was the best response to COVID is/was. It appears States who entered softer lockdowns and reopened quicker has allowed Republican-controlled States to come out of the COVID recession faster.

I think at least one liberal-leaning member here has already shrugged when presented with this COVID period job loss/job growth argument.

To take all this further with Canada, should Trudeau be blamed for being one of Canada's greatest job destroyers or should he be credited with being one of the greatest job creators? It's all very confusing.

 

[WyattEarp]

Completely agree. Today's inflation is not entirely Biden's fault. I'm saying "not entirely " because in the year he's been in office he has done nothing to arrest it. Even worse, when it first became an issue he tried to spin it away.

The early messaging from the Biden Administration on inflation was really bad. WTF Americans are buying too much? I am always amazed how out of touch political spin doctors from both sides are. Some of the liberal media outlets tried to burn some of their precious remaining credibility to try to help sell this message.

Again, people aren't stupid. If they go to the grocery store and the same shopping list costs much more than 12-18 months ago, they are not going to be sympathetic with the message that they are buying too much.

Note: The Federal Reserve is mostly to blame for inflation. The Biden Administration for its own good needs to get people back into the labor force and get the supply chain back into action. I actually believe there will be great improvement in the supply chain this year, but there are always other economic headwinds that can surface.

 

[jcpro]

The early messaging from the Biden Administration on inflation was really bad. WTF Americans are buying too much? I am always amazed how out of touch political spin doctors from both sides are. Some of the liberal media outlets tried to burn some of their precious remaining credibility to try to help sell this message.

Again, people aren't stupid. If they go to the grocery store and the same shopping list costs much more than 12-18 months ago, they are not going to be sympathetic with the message that they are buying too much.

Note: The Federal Reserve is mostly to blame for inflation. The Biden Administration for its own good needs to get people back into the labor force and get the supply chain back into action. I actually believe there will be great improvement in the supply chain this year, but there are always other economic headwinds that can surface.

You can't dump all that "free" money without the Fed taking steps. But, the Fed did not. The time to catch the inflation was last spring, but no one cared back then and by the summer the narrative became "transitory ". And, as you mentioned, the prices shot up and in many cases very dramatically. Whatever messaging the Democrats will try for November, it will be overshadowed by the grocery bills.

 

[K Douglas]

They don't have the balls to come right out and do that. So they tell the viewers "It's your own choice!" which amounts to close to the same thing.

Saying people should choose whether to take the jab after consulting with their health professional(s) is not the same as telling them not to take it. Not even close.
Maybe the extreme left should stop making bullshit up by twisting words and making wild assumptions. Its a scourge to society.

 

[K Douglas]

I wasn't aware that there were factions in the Liberal Party. You have to understand that the overall governing style and approach of both parties in Canada was created in the period 1930 - 1950 and has remained consistent. It features heavy government involvement in health care, a very large social safety net and a massively pro immigration policy. Both major parties embrace these values. The NDP also embraces these values, but would take them even further.

In Canada, you do not have the massive distance between left and right that you have in the US. The entire Canadian political spectrum starts around the right wing of the Democratic Party and flows to somewhere left of AOC.

There are also not "blue states" and "red states". There is no Senate. Saskatchewan and Alberta are antagonistic towards Ottawa, but that is largely regionalism. As is Quebec of course.

There is not the duality of political philosophy that you get in the US. No one in Canada gives a fuck about Jesus. And people are casual and low-key about patriotism and waving the flag. That subtracts that whole issue about the South and Midwest seeing things differently to the city folk on the coasts.

There is no significant history of racial tensions and slavery in Canada. There is no "inner city". There are no segregated neighbourhoods. There is no massive urban gun crime issue. There is no 2nd Amendment.

Rural Canadians are more conservative than city folk. But - aside from SK - Canada is an overwhelmingly urban country. So the small towners lose and they are not numerous enough for their resentment to be milked and exploited.

There's just not a lot to fight about up here.

There used to be factions in the Liberal Party under Chretien and Martin, but the small L's are basically gone. Guys like Dan McTeague who has eventually seen the light.
Your description of our political spectrum as compared to the US' is utter nonsense. Our CPC is 80-90% aligned with the GOP. There really is no right wing of the Democratic Party (blue dogs) anymore. That Party has moved to the left quite significantly.

 

[mandrill]

Saying people should choose whether to take the jab after consulting with their health professional(s) is not the same as telling them not to take it. Not even close.
Maybe the extreme left should stop making bullshit up by twisting words and making wild assumptions. Its a scourge to society.

It enables those who do not wish to take the shot and who thus endanger society to believe that they can refuse prudent and responsible health measures without recourse by the remainder of society. And thus, it protects those who refuse to take the vaxx.

 

[Frankfooter]

Trump did take blame from U.S. voters in Nov. 2020. If the election was held at the beginning of 2020, I think it would have been a narrow victory for Trump.

Biden will likely get some credit for job growth. However, do you really believe the U.S. is having the best job growth in decades? Do you really think that's how it is perceived be Americans? You don't think people are smart enough to see that States with Republican Governors are getting back to work faster? I wouldn't want to debate what was the best response to COVID is/was. It appears States who entered softer lockdowns and reopened quicker has allowed Republican-controlled States to come out of the COVID recession faster.

I think at least one liberal-leaning member here has already shrugged when presented with this COVID period job loss/job growth argument.

To take all this further with Canada, should Trudeau be blamed for being one of Canada's greatest job destroyers or should he be credited with being one of the greatest job creators? It's all very confusing.

Here you are jumping into another conversation with jc. I assume if I reply you'll get angry and then accuse me of another non 'sequiter'.
But go ahead, post how many times the unemployment rate has dropped below 4% in the US and show us who has done better.

Its fair not to take the jobs that are returning from covid as Biden's doing, but its not unreasonable to take the boost above those levels for his credit.

 

[WyattEarp]

Here you are jumping into another conversation with jc. I assume if I reply you'll get angry and then accuse me of another non 'sequiter'.
But go ahead, post how many times the unemployment rate has dropped below 4% in the US and show us who has done better.

Its fair not to take the jobs that are returning from covid as Biden's doing, but its not unreasonable to take the boost above those levels for his credit.

Frank, you can jump into a conversation, but you have to take note of what the person you are responding to is saying. Otherwise, just post your thoughts if they are not a direct response to the conversation. You did a good job here and stayed on the topic on hand.

I'm sure you are aware the U.S. unemployment is low because many people have not returned back to the workforce since COVID. I kind of figured you would post a relatively uninforming fact like the current unemployment rate. Almost all people who seriously follow U.S. economic data to support their work and businesses are mostly concerned with employment numbers/growth to gauge the health and direction of the U.S. economy.

You might have noticed that the U.S. December nonfarm payrolls were not great. NOW WHO CARES WHO TO BLAME! It's likely the cause of the omicron virus.

 

[Frankfooter]

Frank, you can jump into a conversation, but you have to take note of what the person you are responding to is saying. Otherwise, just post your thoughts if they are not a direct response to the conversation. You did a good job here and stayed on the topic on hand.

I'm sure you are aware the U.S. unemployment is low because many people have not returned back to the workforce since COVID. I kind of figured you would post a relatively uninforming fact like the current unemployment rate. Almost all people who seriously follow U.S. economic data to support their work and businesses are mostly concerned with employment numbers/growth to gauge the health and direction of the U.S. economy.

You might have noticed that the U.S. December nonfarm payrolls were not great. NOW WHO CARES WHO TO BLAME! It's likely the cause of the omicron virus.

Wyatt, a reminder that you are the one jumping into this conversation.

Also, its not just jobs.

According to data compiled by Bloomberg, no one comes close to matching Biden's combination of No. 1 and No. 2 rankings for each of the measures:

• Gross domestic product (1)
• Profit growth (1)
• S&P 500 performance (2)
• Consumer credit (1)
• Non-farm payrolls (2)
• Manufacturing jobs (2)
• Business productivity (2)
• Dollar appreciation (2)
• S&P 500 relative performance (2)

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Wyatt jc and k Douglas all seem to have lemon party fantasies of Biden and Trump. How they keep this thread revived is.beyond obsessive. Yes Biden is the worst president ever if you start counting in 1993 and dismiss anyone that didn't win thr popular vote in their first term

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Wyatt, a reminder that you are the one jumping into this conversation.

Also, its not just jobs.

According to data compiled by Bloomberg, no one comes close to matching Biden's combination of No. 1 and No. 2 rankings for each of the measures:

• Gross domestic product (1)
• Profit growth (1)
• S&P 500 performance (2)
• Consumer credit (1)
• Non-farm payrolls (2)
• Manufacturing jobs (2)
• Business productivity (2)
• Dollar appreciation (2)
• S&P 500 relative performance (2)

And all this in sprite of the GOP doing all they can to impede progress. Bidens accomplishments are more than the entire GOP since Lincoln

 

[K Douglas]

It enables those who do not wish to take the shot and who thus endanger society to believe that they can refuse prudent and responsible health measures without recourse by the remainder of society. And thus, it protects those who refuse to take the vaxx.

Unvaccinated people do not endanger society get lost with that crap.

 

[K Douglas]

And all this in sprite of the GOP doing all they can to impede progress. Bidens accomplishments are more than the entire GOP since Lincoln

You live in an alternate reality. Far far away.

 

[mandrill]

Unvaccinated people do not endanger society get lost with that crap.

Post scientific proof.

They get infected and get sicker, longer than vaxxed people. They drain the health care system. They infect other people.

 

[Frankfooter]

Unvaccinated people do not endanger society get lost with that crap.

They cost the rest of us too much money by clogging up the ICUs.
If they just died at home it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

You live in an alternate reality. Far far away.

You have Herbert hoover who was Trump.before Trump- fuelled.trade wars which started the great depression, William Taft who had the statute of Trump Nixon who was as slimy of a piece of shit as Trump, Reagan who was as bad of an actor and as corrupt.as Trump, gwb who is as.corrupt and stupid as Trump, Warren Harding.corrupt as fuck and played golf a lot, did I miss any? name one good.gop president other than Lincoln. Reagan is the best you got ?

 

[nottyboi]

there is so much competition for worst US president. Dubya, Obomber, Trump, Biden.. one clown after another.

 

[Butler1000]

The early messaging from the Biden Administration on inflation was really bad. WTF Americans are buying too much? I am always amazed how out of touch political spin doctors from both sides are. Some of the liberal media outlets tried to burn some of their precious remaining credibility to try to help sell this message.

Again, people aren't stupid. If they go to the grocery store and the same shopping list costs much more than 12-18 months ago, they are not going to be sympathetic with the message that they are buying too much.

Note: The Federal Reserve is mostly to blame for inflation. The Biden Administration for its own good needs to get people back into the labor force and get the supply chain back into action. I actually believe there will be great improvement in the supply chain this year, but there are always other economic headwinds that can surface.

60% of inflation appears to be corporations just raising prices despite record profits. And the workers can't be forced back. They pay will need to go up. And benefits as well.

The great resignation continues. Workers can walk out and get another job at a much higher rate of pay. That's what's happening.

 

[WyattEarp]

60% of inflation appears to be corporations just raising prices despite record profits. And the workers can't be forced back. They pay will need to go up. And benefits as well.

The great resignation continues. Workers can walk out and get another job at a much higher rate of pay. That's what's happening.

I'm not so sure this "great resignation" is sustainable. In comparison to parts of Western Europe where the healthy and employable can survive comfortably without working with government assistance, American voters have an entirely different attitude towards supporting this type of citizen.

I'm sure my point above will find disagreement. If honest, anyone who has spent time in Europe has seen this phenomenon.

PS- We however do have an older population. We are two years into this COVID period. I haven't seen any statistics yet, but that is two more years of baby boomer retirements.