Kerfoot has a better +/- than those four...would you rather have him?No need to name the member but intelligent people recognize a typo when they see one. The top 4 Leaf forwards have a combined minus 3.
Player GP G A P +/- PIM PPG PPP SHG SHP GWG OTG S S% FO% John Tavares
13 7 6 13 0 8 1 2 0 0 0 0 47 14.9 59.17 Mitchell Marner
13 3 10 13 0 4 0 5 0 0 2 0 39 7.7 50 William Nylander
13 5 6 11 -1 2 2 5 0 0 3 2 51 9.8 33.33 Auston Matthews
10 5 3 8 -2
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and Nylander is plus 1. Matthews is -2 so he must suck according to Dart.
Using Dart's method of player evaluation Josh Anderson is -8 so he must suck big time.
McD has 22 pts in 10 games and his team is 9 wins 1 loss yet he's only +5
Dart likes Kerfoot because he looks like him.
Using Dart's method of player evaluation Josh Anderson is -8 so he must suck big time.
McD has 22 pts in 10 games and his team is 9 wins 1 loss yet he's only +5
Dart likes Kerfoot because he looks like him.
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There are over 53 players with a better +/- than McD and over 70 players with a plus of 5 or above.
He pretty much does. In seven seasons, only scored 20 or more goals once. This year, he's got 3 goals, is a minus 10 overall. Feels like not much of a scoring threat, and more of a liability every time he's on the ice.
Bobby Orr retired over 40 years ago and Larry Robinson about 30 years ago...hockey has changed since than.
Why Plus/Minus is the Worst Statistic in Hockey
Alexander Ovechkin, the Washington Capitals’ superstar forward, led the NHL with 51 goals this season. It wasn’t even close, either. The next guy, Corey Perry of the Anaheim Ducks…
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Interesting article. I think where it matters most is at the team level. Presumably, a team with the better plus/minus would normally have a better W-L than a team with a worse plus/minus. Yes, no?Why Plus/Minus is the Worst Statistic in Hockey
Alexander Ovechkin, the Washington Capitals’ superstar forward, led the NHL with 51 goals this season. It wasn’t even close, either. The next guy, Corey Perry of the Anaheim Ducks…
Here are, IMHO, 3 other statistics that could be misleading.
1) Games won
2) Save percentage
3) GAA
A goalie on a good team should have more games won, a better save percentage and GAA than an identical goalie on a bad team.
On a team with a high flying offense, the second and 3rd do not necessarily apply.
This is Grant Fuhr. 8th column is GAA. 13th column is SV%
| 1983-84 | Edmonton Oilers | NHL | 45 | 14 | 6 | 2625 | 171 | 0 | 1 | 3.91 | 30 | 10 | 4 | 1292 | 0.883 | 16 | 3 | 4 |
| 1984-85 | Edmonton Oilers | NHL | 46 | 3 | 6 | 2559 | 165 | 1 | 1 | 3.87 | 26 | 8 | 7 | 1261 | 0.884 | 18 | 3 | 2 |
| 1985-86 | Edmonton Oilers | NHL | 40 | 2 | 0 | 2184 | 143 | 0 | 0 | 3.93 | 29 | 8 | 0 | 1153 | 0.890 | 9 | 1 | 0 |
| 1986-87 | Edmonton Oilers | NHL | 44 | 2 | 6 | 2388 | 137 | 1 | 0 | 3.44 | 22 | 13 | 3 | 1011 | 0.881 | 19 | 1 | 0 |
| 1987-88 | Edmonton Oilers | NHL | 75 | 8 | 16 | 4304 | 246 | 5 | 4 | 3.43 | 40 | 24 | 9 | 1815 | 0.881 | 19 | 1 | 6 |
| 1988-89 | Edmonton Oilers | NHL | 59 | 1 | 6 | 3341 | 213 | 4 | 1 | 3.83 | 23 | 26 | 6 | 1497 | 0.875 | 7 | 0 | 0 |
| 1989-90 | Edmonton Oilers | NHL | 21 | 0 | 2 | 1081 | 70 | 0 | 1 | 3.89 | 9 | 7 | 3 | 462 | 0.868 |
Again, those Fuhr numbers are from 30-35 years ago, NHL was a lot different then...lots of 100 point scorers and very few GAA under 3.00...
I realize that, but even for then, Fuhr's numbers must have been below average. Most years he was close to 4 goals/game and save % was well under .900
The thing said avour Fuhr was that he made the saves late in the game when it was needed most. But his numbers seem to clearly conflict with darts' assertions.
I proved my point. A goalie on a team with a high flying offense does not necessarily need a good GAA or SV% to win a lot of games.
Here's another outlier, Billie Smith of the Islander dynasty:
| 1981-82 | New York Islanders | NHL | 46 | 1 | 24 | 2685 | 133 | 0 | 0 | 2.97 | 32 | 9 | 4 | 1199 | 0.900 | 18 | 0 | 6 |
| 1982-83 | New York Islanders | NHL | 41 | 0 | 41 | 2340 | 112 | 2 | 1 | 2.87 | 18 | 14 | 7 | 1083 | 0.906 | 17 | 1 | 9 |
| 1983-84 | New York Islanders | NHL | 42 | 2 | 23 | 2279 | 130 | 0 | 2 | 3.42 | 23 | 13 | 2 | 1122 | 0.896 | 21 | 0 | 17 |
| 1984-85 | New York Islanders | NHL | 37 | 0 | 25 | 2090 | 133 | 1 | 0 | 3.82 | 18 | 14 | 3 | 967 | 0.879 |
Domenick Hasek:
Only went 15-11 a 2.21 GAA and .919 SV%
22-30 with a .920 SV%
Trying to make generalizations is a slippery slope.
| 1999-00 | Buffalo Sabres | NHL | 35 | 1 | 12 | 2066 | 76 | 2 | 3 | 2.21 | 15 | 11 | 6 | 861 | 0.919 |
| 1995-96 | Buffalo Sabres | NHL | 59 | 1 | 6 | 3417 | 161 | 5 | 2 | 2.83 | 22 | 30 | 6 | 1850 | 0.920 | - | - | - |
Trying to make generalizations is a slippery slope.
