Kyle Rittenhouse trial

[NotADcotor]

Ife he was a black man being chased by a racist mob, the AG might see it as clear self defence but cops in the US don't have a good history when dealing with armed black men in high pressure situations.

1: A black dude is 2.5 times more likely to be killed as a white dude. However a black dude is also 2.5 times more likely to commit non leathal violent crime and IIRC 4 times as likely to commit actual lethal violent crime [MDK] which suggests that cops are just as likely to gun down a black man as a white man doing the same shit.
2: Other than anidotal evidence in a country of about 350 million people for which one can find examples of just about anything, I doubt you have anything to actually back up your claim.
3: Considering point 1 and news coverage I wouldn't be suprised that the media underreports cops going MDK on armed white men which would lead to the impression you have. Tony Timpa was killed by cops who were joking and laughing after Tony called for help because he was off his meds and on other drugs. It didn't break local news. Same time period as George Floyd. But I guess cops killing someone in mental health distress if funny if he is white.

3b: Remember from point 1, cops statistically gun down white people as often as blacks within the demographic that would have these problems and as there are more whites than blacks white dudes get gunned down as often as blacks as a whole but it almost never makes it to the media, surely not on the national level if at all.
3b: Remember according to BLM silence and compliance so... but again he was white so that's OK>

Also considering the nature and reason for the riots it would be insane to assume the cops wouldn't hold back more with a black suspect than risk losing their jobs for doing their jobs. Remember that cop who shot that black chick, some even on terb were like brah even though she had a knife and was about to stab someone.

 

[Bbw hunter]

So what's "good and holy" for you, bb?

It's a figure of speech. What I meant is that Leftists wish to destroy everything that is fun and makes life worth living, starting with our basic freedoms. If look at the history of Commie countries over the last 100 years you will see they are very good at that.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Carlson and Hannity.......... say no more. LOL!!
So You have come to this "Holy" site called TERB. OIC......... ROTFLMAO!!

Glad you are so easily amused, Beav.

 

[mandrill]

It's a figure of speech. What I meant is that Leftists wish to destroy everything that is fun and makes life worth living, starting with our basic freedoms. If look at the history of Commie countries over the last 100 years you will see they are very good at that.

Except Canada, Australia and the blue state USA are not "commie" countries.

They are western style democracies. Canada is considerably further "left" than even the Dems in the USA. And we have legalized pot, semi decrim prostitution and free speech. That's a lot freer than Texas. You go to jail for a long, long time in Texas for smoking weed and banging SW's.

So where's your point?

 

[contact]

A 17 year old kid with an illegal weapon, who lied about being a medic and was chummy with the Proud Boys?
A kid who himself has a history of violence?

The idea that anyone supports vigilantes armed with automatic weapons, let alone violent children with white supremacist leanings, is ridiculous.
I'm sure you don't want left wing vigilantes or BLM vigilantes, so why the heck would you back Proud Boy vigilantes?

It was not an illegal weapon it’s a semi automatic A.R. 15 style rifle the most common rifle in the United States no one had automatic weapons not one.

Why do you continue to lie about this Frank?

 

[mandrill]

1: A black dude is 2.5 times more likely to be killed as a white dude. However a black dude is also 2.5 times more likely to commit non leathal violent crime and IIRC 4 times as likely to commit actual lethal violent crime [MDK] which suggests that cops are just as likely to gun down a black man as a white man doing the same shit.
2: Other than anidotal evidence in a country of about 350 million people for which one can find examples of just about anything, I doubt you have anything to actually back up your claim.
3: Considering point 1 and news coverage I wouldn't be suprised that the media underreports cops going MDK on armed white men which would lead to the impression you have. Tony Timpa was killed by cops who were joking and laughing after Tony called for help because he was off his meds and on other drugs. It didn't break local news. Same time period as George Floyd. But I guess cops killing someone in mental health distress if funny if he is white.

3b: Remember from point 1, cops statistically gun down white people as often as blacks within the demographic that would have these problems and as there are more whites than blacks white dudes get gunned down as often as blacks as a whole but it almost never makes it to the media, surely not on the national level if at all.
3b: Remember according to BLM silence and compliance so... but again he was white so that's OK>

Also considering the nature and reason for the riots it would be insane to assume the cops wouldn't hold back more with a black suspect than risk losing their jobs for doing their jobs. Remember that cop who shot that black chick, some even on terb were like brah even though she had a knife and was about to stab someone.

Except.........

There is clearly something that happens in the US that doesn't happen up here. Assuming that these White Cop kills Black Dude incidents are blown out of proportion - and they are - a LOT of respectable Black people still believe that they are targeted because of race. And they're probably correct.

I went to Chicago 20 years ago and went to a model railroad hobby shop. There were 2 white middle aged hobby shop guys working the store. In Toronto, we'd start talking about the Leafs, going to the cottage, the traffic - Toronto stuff.

Within 5 minutes of me getting there, these 2 nondescript white guys told me Chicago had a "N------- Problem" and I wouldn't understand because I was from Canada. They went on for 5 or 10 minutes. That shit does NOT happen up here. It's American.

 

[contact]

And here I was thinking you were Canadian.

Are you criticizing someone based on their background again Frank? arson is a crime where deadly force is 100% legal to use (us) even in Canada I really doubt a prosecutor would have much of a case if someone was trying to burn your house out and you shot them dead

 

[mandrill]

It was not an illegal weapon it’s a semi automatic A.R. 15 style rifle the most common rifle in the United States no one had automatic weapons not one.

Why do you continue to lie about this Frank?

IIRC, wasn't the weapon - not itself inherently illegal - illegally purchased for an underage owner and illegally transported across a state line?

That doesn't affect my take on the case, but it DOES support Franky's stance.

 

[contact]

IIRC, wasn't the weapon - not itself inherently illegal - illegally purchased for an underage owner and illegally transported across a state line?

That doesn't affect my take on the case, but it DOES support Franky's stance.

Actually no it doesn’t Frank is claiming the weapon itself was an illegal weapon its not illegal and the charge for underage possession is a misdemeanor.

He also lied and stated people had automatic weapons.

 

[mandrill]

Are you criticizing someone based on their background again Frank? arson is a crime where deadly force is 100% legal to use (us) even in Canada I really doubt a prosecutor would have much of a case if someone was trying to burn your house out and you shot them dead

Ok, so do we have a person here who catches someone in the act of burning down their house and who persists in doing that even when confronted with a loaded weapon and the only way to save the house is to kill the arsonist right then and there?

Leaving aside that KR doesn't own any property in WI.

No. We have a BUNCH of sketchy people milling around - some of whom might be POTENTIAL arsonists and some of whom might be thrill spectators - and many of whom are carrying some kind of weapon. And a vigilante force which appoints itself to patrol an area where - apparently - no houses are being burned on that particular night. (Perhaps because of the heavy police and vigilante presence.)

 

[mandrill]

Actually no it doesn’t Frank is claiming the weapon itself is was an illegal weapon its not illegal and the charge for underage possession is a misdemeanor.

He also lied and stated people had automatic weapons.

He made a mistake, but it's relevant to nothing in the actual case. You and Oracle are both going on and on about this, but it's just a way to snarl at Franky. It's not a relevant fact to the case.

 

[contact]

He made a mistake, but it's relevant to nothing in the actual case. You and Oracle are both going on and on about this, but it's just a way to snarl at Franky. It's not a relevant fact to the case.

Except it’s not a mistake Frank knows exactly what he’s doing review when this case first happened it was pointed out to Frank then this is intentional and it is relevant because Frank is trying to paint Kyle as the most evil person in the universe using lies

 

[jalimon]

Until they come to burn down your business right?......Then you would like that kind of hero pretty fast.

Why were these business burnt down. Don't you think the US has a huge racism problem? The power of numbers always win. At some point in the US the 10% rich will not be able to hide forever in their gated community. The middle class is shrinking and with the mentality of guns use things wont go well.

 

[Bbw hunter]

Except Canada, Australia and the blue state USA are not "commie" countries.

They are western style democracies. Canada is considerably further "left" than even the Dems in the USA. And we have legalized pot, semi decrim prostitution and free speech. That's a lot freer than Texas. You go to jail for a long, long time in Texas for smoking weed and banging SW's.

So where's your point?

True enough. We aren't Commie states. Not yet.
However the West appears headed in a hard-left direction. Telling people that they need to hate their own race, gender and religion is a step towards Leftist indoctrination.
The persecution of KR should be sounding the alarm about that.
How dare this teen defend himself against homicidal domestic terrorists!
It's also funny how some of you are so eager to defend the scumbag who raped llittle boys.
Why is there a constant connection bbetween pedophilia and Leftism?
Maybe someone could explain that one.

 

[mandrill]

True enough. We aren't Commie states. Not yet.
However the West appears headed in a hard-left direction. Telling people that they need to hate their own race, gender and religion is a step towards Leftist indoctrination.
The persecution of KR should be sounding the alarm about that.
How dare this teen defend himself against homicidal domestic terrorists!
It's also funny how some of you are so eager to defend the scumbag who raped llittle boys.
Why is there a constant connection bbetween pedophilia and Leftism?
Maybe someone could explain that one.

Telling people they "need to hate their own race, gender and religion" is actually not a step toward Leftist indoctrination - except in your own mind and on Fox News.

All Leftist regimes - China, Russia, Viet Nam, Cuba - are very nationalist. You have to admit that.

So you were wrong there.

And KR gets to raise self-defence in his murder trial. So if he can prove self-defence, he gets off. So you're wrong there as well.

Not doing very well in this chat, huh?

 

[bver_hunter]

True enough. We aren't Commie states. Not yet.
However the West appears headed in a hard-left direction. Telling people that they need to hate their own race, gender and religion is a step towards Leftist indoctrination.
The persecution of KR should be sounding the alarm about that.
How dare this teen defend himself against homicidal domestic terrorists!
It's also funny how some of you are so eager to defend the scumbag who raped llittle boys.
Why is there a constant connection bbetween pedophilia and Leftism?
Maybe someone could explain that one.

You are obviously following numerous online conspiracy theories that have been debunked every single time. Show us some links that Associate "Leftist Indoctrination" with hatred against ones own race, gender and religion. We know that chants of the "Jews Will not Replace Us" and killings against Arbery etc are from the Extreme Right wing indoctrinated individuals.
We saw the likes of the Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory again by the Far Right Press that almost resulted in further shootings by those brainwashed to believe such garbage. There are several Republicans who were involved in Sex with Minors and have been charged. So just do not try to label it as just a "Left Wing Crime"!!

This is one of the latest cases brought against this GOP individual:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/04/republican-political-operative-sex-trafficking/

 

[Charlemagne]

Man killed by Rittenhouse was 'babbling idiot' but not a threat, witness says

Man killed by Rittenhouse was 'babbling idiot' but not a threat, witness says

A man who was killed by Kyle Rittenhouse during social unrest in Kenosha, Wis., last year was a “babbling idiot,” but posed no threat, a witness at Rittenhouse's murder trial testified on Friday.

thehill.com

 

[21 Days Later]

Those in opposition of Kyle are losing. Losing BIGLY in the most loserish way I've never seen nothing like it.

 

[contact]

Man killed by Rittenhouse was 'babbling idiot' but not a threat, witness says

Man killed by Rittenhouse was 'babbling idiot' but not a threat, witness says

A man who was killed by Kyle Rittenhouse during social unrest in Kenosha, Wis., last year was a “babbling idiot,” but posed no threat, a witness at Rittenhouse's murder trial testified on Friday.

thehill.com

Two previous witnesses called by the prosecution both emphasized that Rosenbaum appeared to pose a threat to Rittenhouse. Their testimony could boost Rittenhouse's self-defense claim, as the teenager's attorneys have argued that Rittenhouse feared for his life that night and had good reason to think Rosenbaum could take his rifle and use it against him.

Witness says one of the men Kyle Rittenhouse shot had carried a gun with a bullet in the chamber, ready to be fired (yahoo.com)

 

[Bbw hunter]

Two previous witnesses called by the prosecution both emphasized that Rosenbaum appeared to pose a threat to Rittenhouse. Their testimony could boost Rittenhouse's self-defense claim, as the teenager's attorneys have argued that Rittenhouse feared for his life that night and had good reason to think Rosenbaum could take his rifle and use it against him.

Witness says one of the men Kyle Rittenhouse shot had carried a gun with a bullet in the chamber, ready to be fired (yahoo.com)

What that witness said should not hold up in a court of law. It's simply his perception and not a fact.
Was this guy a psychiatrist who could quickly determine someone's state of mind and dismiss him as a possible threat?
The prosecution should rip his testimony to shreds.