Kyle Rittenhouse trial

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y2kmark

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I am sure you believe that, it fits your narrative but it is clearly not true.

If he was black and being chased by the proud boys you can be damn sure they they would try to go as soft on him as possible.
You can also be sure that the same KR lynch mob would be demanding that black KR is a hero and should be relleased [and likewise the pro KR crew would be demanding blood for the blood god from a black KR.
So give the little coward/bully who shot 3 people a pass???
 

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Haven't read the whole thread because deciding the fate of this chubby little fuck who decided to take the law into his own hands by "oath keeping" a riot, with an M16 isn't really a head scratcher. Life in big boy prison.
A M16 eh?..LOL.

Read the thread and get the correct facts.
 

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A M16 eh?..LOL.
Read the thread and get the correct facts.
Well, it was an AR-15 for the purists. But the whole point is that only the US has vigilante groups armed with shoulder weapons and clad in body armour. Canada doesn't have this shit. Australia doesn't. Europe doesn't. Etc.

So the fact that an AR-15 is semi-auto and an M-16 is full auto selected might make a difference if your trying to clear a room full of 15 or 20 opponents in 10 seconds or less. It doesn't make much of a significant diff if you're progressing through a series of 1 on 1's with people who do not have any firearm at all. (With the exception of Vic #3 who apparently had a pistol, but did not try to fire it.)
 

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So give the little coward/bully who shot 3 people a pass???
That isn't even in the slightest what I wrote or even remotely implied. Learn to read.
I guess strawmanning is better than actually reading what people say.
 
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A M16 eh?..LOL.

Read the thread and get the correct facts.
I knew somebody would correct me on that if I got it wrong. Just didn't give enough of a shit to research the fine print. So AR -15 . That changes everything. Little fuck should get his ass reamed in prison.
 
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Kyle is an American hero who defended himself against Marxist thugs intent on burning down a city.
Well, that's nice. The 3 people he shot were all "Marxists" and all involved in arson?

You got proof of that?
 
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Kyle is an American hero who defended himself against Marxist thugs intent on burning down a city.
A 17 year old kid with an illegal weapon, who lied about being a medic and was chummy with the Proud Boys?
A kid who himself has a history of violence?

The idea that anyone supports vigilantes armed with automatic weapons, let alone violent children with white supremacist leanings, is ridiculous.
I'm sure you don't want left wing vigilantes or BLM vigilantes, so why the heck would you back Proud Boy vigilantes?
 
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A 17 year old kid with an illegal weapon, who lied about being a medic and was chummy with the Proud Boys?
A kid who himself has a history of violence?
A history of violence eh?.........LOL.......Man you like to must lie don't you.

And don't bring out that video of him in a skirmish in a parking lot with some kids his own age as evidence.

Your boogie men the Proud Boys are another red herring. There's no evidence that prior to this event KR had any association with them.

Christ the Proud Boys leader is Cuban and they have black members.

You just hate them because they like to repel your Marxist buddies from doing their burning and looting.
 

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Kyle is an American hero who defended himself against Marxist thugs intent on burning down a city.
“In spite of what the media and public statements and things like that have been, the evidence will show that Kyle Rittenhouse had strong ties to Kenosha,” Richards said. “His mother lived in Antioch, Ill. Kyle worked here in Kenosha County at the RecPlex in Pleasant Prairie as a lifeguard.”
lol
 

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A history of violence eh?.........LOL.......Man you like to must lie don't you.

And don't bring out that video of him in a skirmish in a parking lot with some kids his own age as evidence.

Your boogie men the Proud Boys are another red herring. There's no evidence that prior to this event KR had any association with them.

Christ the Proud Boys leader is Cuban and they have black members.

You just hate them because they like to repel your Marxist buddies from doing their burning and looting.
Read the news.
This is to be evidence at a trial, its not from CNN or anywhere else you'll instantly deny.
Its evidence.
Prosecution Wants To Introduce Evidence Of Past Violence At Kyle Rittenhouse Trial
Motion Alleges Association With Proud Boys, Violence Against Teen Girl
 

mandrill

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Read the news.
This is to be evidence at a trial, its not from CNN or anywhere else you'll instantly deny.
Its evidence.
Prosecution Wants To Introduce Evidence Of Past Violence At Kyle Rittenhouse Trial
Motion Alleges Association With Proud Boys, Violence Against Teen Girl
That's not a motion that will go well for the prosecution. Pretty much doomed IMO.

One thing that a competent trial judge does is make sure that the jury stays focused on the specific facts of the case and doesn't convict a defendant simply because they think he's a bad person.
 

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Read the news.
This is to be evidence at a trial, its not from CNN or anywhere else you'll instantly deny.
Its evidence.
Prosecution Wants To Introduce Evidence Of Past Violence At Kyle Rittenhouse Trial
Motion Alleges Association With Proud Boys, Violence Against Teen Girl
LOL......Yeah thats the video from the parking lot which we have all previously seen. That's a real history of violence right there dude. You got me lol.

The prosecution must be desperate if there going to try and bring that in.

And an association with your so scary Proud Boys......Why because he was in a bar with his mon and some adult males that might be part of the club were there, lol. They identify as a drinking club so I'd expect they would be in bars.
 

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Until they come to burn down your business right?......Then you would like that kind of hero pretty fast.
Oddly enough, "Come to burn down your business" seems to happen a lot in the USA and never, ever in Canada. Wonder why?

Think there might be some differences between our 2 countries?
 

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That's not a motion that will go well for the prosecution. Pretty much doomed IMO.

One thing that a competent trial judge does is make sure that the jury stays focused on the specific facts of the case and doesn't convict a defendant simply because they think he's a bad person.
But they will allow evidence on the character of the people they won't call 'victims'?
One might think that in a case about self defence that the ability of the person to respond to threats is as important as the threat.
Like how a 17 year old with an AR-15 reacts vs the vet who was watching him, who said V#1 was acting irrationally but wasn't a threat.
In this case, an immature person without the ability to read the situation and a deadly weapon lead to a different reaction to someone who knows how to deal with stress and weapons.

Does the self defence claim trumpet those arguments?

This came out today as well.
Manager of Car Lot Kyle Rittenhouse Took It Upon Himself to Protect Says No One Was Authorized to Guard Business on Night of Shooting
 

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But they will allow evidence on the character of the people they won't call 'victims'?
One might think that in a case about self defence that the ability of the person to respond to threats is as important as the threat.
Like how a 17 year old with an AR-15 reacts vs the vet who was watching him, who said V#1 was acting irrationally but wasn't a threat.
In this case, an immature person without the ability to read the situation and a deadly weapon lead to a different reaction to someone who knows how to deal with stress and weapons.

Does the self defence claim trumpet those arguments?

This came out today as well.
Manager of Car Lot Kyle Rittenhouse Took It Upon Himself to Protect Says No One Was Authorized to Guard Business on Night of Shooting
Yes, but that evidence is of Rosenbaum's demeanour at the time of the shooting. Whether he appeared aggressive and angry. Evidence of KR's behaviour at the scene has gone in as well.

Going into past activity to show the accused is an "evil person" is stretching it to a whole different level.
 

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Until they come to burn down your business right?......Then you would like that kind of hero pretty fast.
Exactly. Lefties love BLM/Antifa as a theory and ideology as long as those violent thugs stay the hell out of their own neighbourhoods.
 

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Yes, but that evidence is of Rosenbaum's demeanour at the time of the shooting. Whether he appeared aggressive and angry. Evidence of KR's behaviour at the scene has gone in as well.

Going into past activity to show the accused is an "evil person" is stretching it to a whole different level.
If they were arguing he was 'evil', sure.
But arguing that he's a teen who can't control his anger surely must be relevant to claims of self defence.

Rosenbaum was reported to be aggressive, but not a threat, by the ex-marine who was trying to watch KR.

Lackowski said he eventually saw Joseph Rosenbaum.“He had been — how do I say this — acting very belligerently. He had asked very bluntly to shoot him. He did a few, what I would call, false stepping, which is making a step to entice someone to do something. He had done that a few times. After he had done that a few times, I turned my back on him and ignored him.
”Binger asked what Lackowski thought of Rosenbaum.“A babbling idiot,” Lackowski said of the man Kyle Rittenhouse eventually shot.
Lackowski said he didn’t consider Rosenbaum a threat. He also said he never saw Rosenbaum with a weapon of any type. But later, he said his “banter” — the requests to be shot and the “false stepping” — was concerning.


KR"s maturity and ability to deal with violent situations I would think would be relevant.
 
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