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4 Family Members killed in suspected hate crime against Muslims in London, Ontario - Terrorist Charges Pending

Frankfooter

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You're hardly in a position to talk about obsessive agendas to demonize an entire ethnic group.
I post and quote from B'tselem, Yesh Din, BTS, IJVCanada and ifnnotnow.
They are all from the ethnic group you are claiming I demonize.
 

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I post and quote from B'tselem, Yesh Din, BTS, IJVCanada and ifnnotnow.
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Yet you keep ignoring what they say about anti-Israel groups. Hmm. With all the times you dismiss what palestinians want and all the times you act like they aren't responsible for their actions, it sure seems like you have a Victorian view of other ethnicities.
 
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Frankfooter

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Yet you keep ignoring what they say about anti-Israel groups. Hmm. With all the times you dismiss what palestinians want and all the times you act like they aren't responsible for their actions, it sure seems like you have a Victorian view of other ethnicities.
Zionism is a Victorian era, colonial movement based on race and ethnic cleansing.
That's your world.
Mine is all for equal rights.

Why do you keep defending apartheid and trying to claim you have any moral high ground?
 
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Yep. O'Toole is making the same mistake, and I'm even less a fan of him.
But even Veltman's own egg packaging co-worker confirmed that according to Veltman the Muslims were "different people":

Veltman made the odd comment about Muslims that suggested he was “suspicious” of them, the co-worker said, but nothing to suggest a potential for violence.

“He thought they were different people,” he said. “He thought they weren’t peaceful like they claim to be.”

So he obviously specifically targeted this muslim Family based on how they looked!!
 

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But even Veltman's own egg packaging co-worker confirmed that according to Veltman the Muslims were "different people":




So he obviously specifically targeted this muslim Family based on how they looked!!
Warning signs, eh?
I wonder if those type of warning signs show up on this board sometimes.....
Right wingers, gun nuts, Islamaphobic........
The kind of people who won't call out for all peoples to be held to the law are the ones that really support some form of terrorism and violence.
 
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Warning signs, eh?
I wonder if those type of warning signs show up on this board sometimes.....
Right wingers, gun nuts, Islamaphobic........
Don’t forget the guys who support Designated Terrorist groups hamas and who are OK with the groups pledge to kill Jews Same guy who has been banned from this board multiple times for threatening people telling people they’re not Canadian enough
 

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Warning signs, eh?
I wonder if those type of warning signs show up on this board sometimes.....
Right wingers, gun nuts, Islamaphobic........
The kind of people who won't call out for all peoples to be held to the law are the ones that really support some form of terrorism and violence.
Yes we should have a similar Islamophobia Summit on this Board to this one pledged in Parliament:

MPs move to convene emergency Islamophobia summit before August

 
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Dutch Oven

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But even Veltman's own egg packaging co-worker confirmed that according to Veltman the Muslims were "different people":




So he obviously specifically targeted this muslim Family based on how they looked!!
Wow, what tight logic! A co-worker at the egg packaging plant says the accused thought Muslims were "different people and might not be peaceful". He didn't talk about harming anyone, or use racial slurs, or speak of Muslims as less than human. And, for you, this would be iron clad evidence that this guy was a racially motivated terrorist! You can find such idle talk on millions of factory floors, loading docks, bowling alleys, and street corners, spoken by people who would never harm a fly.

Underwhelming. CTV, as usual, is garbage.

If this is all the London police have, then they have nothing at all to support hate crime or terrorism charges. Maybe they have something that's actually substantive, but they have declined to release that information. However, it should strike you as odd that journalists are scampering around after the fact, desperately trying to find strained support for a conclusion the police reached within a single day of the deaths.
 

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Wow, what tight logic! A co-worker at the egg packaging plant says the accused thought Muslims were "different people and might not be peaceful". He didn't talk about harming anyone, or use racial slurs, or speak of Muslims as less than human. And, for you, this would be iron clad evidence that this guy was a racially motivated terrorist! You can find such idle talk on millions of factory floors, loading docks, bowling alleys, and street corners, spoken by people who would never harm a fly.

Underwhelming. CTV, as usual, is garbage.

If this is all the London police have, then they have nothing at all to support hate crime or terrorism charges. Maybe they have something that's actually substantive, but they have declined to release that information. However, it should strike you as odd that journalists are scampering around after the fact, desperately trying to find strained support for a conclusion the police reached within a single day of the deaths.
Wow you've really shown them! And meanwhile life has been happening
 

Dutch Oven

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Wow you've really shown them! And meanwhile life has been happening
Either the evidence that police have that substantiates the charges are some kind of national secret or we're seeing politics at play.

Global throws their hat in the garbage journalism ring, seeking out a legal opinion on terrorism charges from an international studies professor. How dumb do you need to be in order to do that?
 

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Wow you've really shown them! And meanwhile life has been happening
Sounds like he's really going to need the expert help from bud plug on this one.
So what if he's lost every case so far, this time he can really do it.
0/61 election
James Fields
Arbery killing....
 

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Either the evidence that police have that substantiates the charges are some kind of national secret or we're seeing politics at play.

Global throws their hat in the garbage journalism ring, seeking out a legal opinion on terrorism charges from an international studies professor. How dumb do you need to be in order to do that?
If I were you I would avoid raising an issue of how dumb people can be :)
 
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Dutch Oven

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If I were you I would avoid raising an issue of how dumb people can be :)
That's funny! You think other people think you're smart? Hilarious! Spoiler alert - they don't.

p.s. I was attacking the intelligence of our beloved media. You, on the other hand, were attempting to insult me, and you inserted yourself into an exchange between other posters to do it. A smart person would know that violates forum rules. News to you, it would appear.

p.p.s. I see your post has attracted some sort of infestation. You know you've dropped a real load when it immediately attacts flies.
 
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Ghawar
I've not been looking into the news over this case
past the headline. I have even avoided most of the relevant
posts for I know the details are unbearably heart-breaking.
When I read about the terrorism charge my first
thought is charge of hate crime is most obvious. I have no idea
why terrorism is more fitting for the crime.
 

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That's funny! You think other people think you're smart? Hilarious! Spoiler alert - they don't.
I do. And furthermore, I do not think you are very smart.
 
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Frankfooter

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That's funny! You think other people think you're smart? Hilarious! Spoiler alert - they don't.

p.s. I was attacking the intelligence of our beloved media. You, on the other hand, were attempting to insult me, and you inserted yourself into an exchange between other posters to do it. A smart person would know that violates forum rules. News to you, it would appear.
Add the media to the list of people who aren't nearly as smart as dutch oven.
That included all the judges who looked at the election litigation cases, none of whom understood the law as well as dutch so came up with the wrong decisions.
Add in the jurors in the Arbery and James Fields cases, who either didn't have access to the evidence dutch did but most likely just aren't as smart as him.

And definitely add in both of Dunning and Kruger, clearly they had no idea of how the mind works.
 
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Dutch Oven

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I do. And furthermore, I do not think you are very smart.
If you and Leimonis were cards I was dealt in Texas hold'em, I'd be sitting pretty with a (low) pair!
 

basketcase

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Prosecutors have officially filed terrorism charges. Obviously they think they have the evidence to win the case.
 
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