4 Family Members killed in suspected hate crime against Muslims in London, Ontario - Terrorist Charges Pending

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Frankfooter said:
Uh, no.
As if supporting BDS i...
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According to the Canadian government, BDS is counterproductive and a home to anti-semitism.

Just as one example, you demanding the Palestinians and Israelis form a One State even though both groups are overwhelmingly opposed to it shows how little you care for the opinions of other ethnicities.
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Wow, what tight logic! A co-worker at the egg packaging plant says the accused thought Muslims were "different people and might not be peaceful". He didn't talk about harming anyone, or use racial slurs, or speak of Muslims as less than human. And, for you, this would be iron clad evidence that this guy was a racially motivated terrorist! You can find such idle talk on millions of factory floors, loading docks, bowling alleys, and street corners, spoken by people who would never harm a fly.

Underwhelming. CTV, as usual, is garbage.

If this is all the London police have, then they have nothing at all to support hate crime or terrorism charges. Maybe they have something that's actually substantive, but they have declined to release that information. However, it should strike you as odd that journalists are scampering around after the fact, desperately trying to find strained support for a conclusion the police reached within a single day of the deaths.
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Who are your sources if CTV are garbage?? Anyway, are you trying to make excuses for this despicable individual just like Bud Plug did for that James Fields when he mowed down Heather Heyer in Charlottesville?

But then further bad news for you and Bud Plug that now Terror Charges have been laid against Veltman:

Terror charges laid against Nathaniel Veltman, accused in London, Ont. vehicle attack

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Terror charges laid against Nathaniel Veltman, accused in London, Ont. vehicle attack

Federal and provincial Crown attorneys have laid terror charges against the man accused of intentionally driving into a Muslim family in London, Ont. killing four and injuring a child.
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If you think that the Prosecutor does not have enough of evidence to proceed in this respect, then you better represent Veltman!!
 
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basketcase said:
According to the Canadian government, BDS is counterproductive and a home to anti-semitism.

Just as one example, you demanding the Palestinians and Israelis form a One State even though both groups are overwhelmingly opposed to it shows how little you care for the opinions of other ethnicities.
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The Canadian government also didn't support sanctions on Apartheid South Africa for years.
As you know, change is happening but its slow.

How's it feeling to be the oppressor now?

Violence in Gaza and Israel has left behind a changed political landscape in Canada
 
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Who are your sources if CTV are garbage?? Anyway, are you trying to make excuses for this despicable individual just like Bud Plug did for that James Fields when he mowed down Heather Heyer in Charlottesville?

But then further bad news for you and Bud Plug that now Terror Charges have been laid against Veltman:

Terror charges laid against Nathaniel Veltman, accused in London, Ont. vehicle attack

london.ctvnews.ca

Terror charges laid against Nathaniel Veltman, accused in London, Ont. vehicle attack

Federal and provincial Crown attorneys have laid terror charges against the man accused of intentionally driving into a Muslim family in London, Ont. killing four and injuring a child.
london.ctvnews.ca london.ctvnews.ca

If you think that the Prosecutor does not have enough of evidence to proceed in this respect, then you better represent Veltman!!
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Everyone is allowed to practice good journalism. CTV just chooses not to.

I'm neither making excuses for the accused nor condemning him. Based on the information that is released, there is insufficient basis for either.

I am condemning the poor excuse for reporting that the Canadian media provides the public, and I am questioning the judgment of the London Police Service as well as well as the crown attorney responsible for the case. In my view, you don't lay terrorism charges unless you have an incontrovertable case, because of the social consequences of confirming the existence of terrorism domestically. Instead, this seems like a "test case" to me, otherwise the incontrovertable facts they are relying upon would be released to the public.
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Everyone is allowed to practice good journalism. CTV just chooses not to.

I'm neither making excuses for the accused nor condemning him. Based on the information that is released, there is insufficient basis for either.

I am condemning the poor excuse for reporting that the Canadian media provides the public, and I am questioning the judgment of the London Police Service as well as well as the crown attorney responsible for the case. In my view, you don't lay terrorism charges unless you have an incontrovertable case, because of the social consequences of confirming the existence of terrorism domestically. Instead, this seems like a "test case" to me, otherwise the incontrovertable facts they are relying upon would be released to the public.
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That's your personal opinion and you have absolutely zero real evidence to back it up.
It sounds like you just don't want to believe it so now you have to doubt the police, the crown lawyers, the media, the witnesses and the co-workers all because you think you're smarter than all of them.
 
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Can we just take a moment to appreciate that terb righties hijacked a topic about a murdered family to talk about how certain shit is not yet proven and who knows what happened and who is wrong in the middle east conflict.
 
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Can we just take a moment to appreciate that terb righties hijacked a topic about a murdered family to talk about how certain shit is not yet proven and who knows what happened and who is wrong in the middle east conflict.
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Or you could also Congratulate the lefty Frankfooter for turning this into a hate Israel and Jews are evil thread like he does or tries to with everything
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Everyone is allowed to practice good journalism. CTV just chooses not to.

I'm neither making excuses for the accused nor condemning him. Based on the information that is released, there is insufficient basis for either.

I am condemning the poor excuse for reporting that the Canadian media provides the public, and I am questioning the judgment of the London Police Service as well as well as the crown attorney responsible for the case. In my view, you don't lay terrorism charges unless you have an incontrovertable case, because of the social consequences of confirming the existence of terrorism domestically. Instead, this seems like a "test case" to me, otherwise the incontrovertable facts they are relying upon would be released to the public.
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Which media in your opinion is acceptable then in reporting what seems like terrorism type of attacks that resulted in the deaths of four family members on the basis of their religious appearances. We should not kill the Messenger that has delved into this killer's relationships with his co workers and what they disclosed. After all those co workers had direct interactions with him and quoting precisely what was mentioned during their conversations!!
 
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Frankfooter said:
International sanctions to support equal rights in Israel/Palestine are 'hate filled fantasies'?
You really are messed up.

You can do better,
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You are when you pretend you care about equal rights while trying to force Palestinians into something that only 6% want. If you really supported sanctions to create peace then your condemnations would include the PA who keep walking from offers and Hamas who rejects the concept outright. But no, you only condemn Israel that has agreed to many brokered deals and has made a comprehensive offer of their own that is fully compliant with what the Arab league supports.

And I love how you use token Jews to pretend you don't hate Jews living in Israel.
 
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Dutch Oven said:
Everyone is allowed to practice good journalism. CTV just chooses not to.

I'm neither making excuses for the accused nor condemning him. Based on the information that is released, there is insufficient basis for either.

I am condemning the poor excuse for reporting that the Canadian media provides the public, and I am questioning the judgment of the London Police Service as well as well as the crown attorney responsible for the case. In my view, you don't lay terrorism charges unless you have an incontrovertable case, because of the social consequences of confirming the existence of terrorism domestically. Instead, this seems like a "test case" to me, otherwise the incontrovertable facts they are relying upon would be released to the public.
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Hey, Dutch!!

Guess you're now an expert in journalism ethics and management now!

And also you have a more intelligent and ethical grasp on police procedure than the London cops! And you're a better prosecutor than the London Crown attorney's office! Real renaissance man!
 
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And I love how you use token Jews to pretend you don't hate Jews living in Israel.
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'Token Jews'?

Well, at least you've moved on from 'self hating Jews'.
IJVCanada, ifnotnow, B'tselem, BTS.

www.newsweek.com

Just One-Third of U.S. Jews Believe Israel Wants Peace with Palestine: Poll

A new, wide-ranging survey has revealed the opinions of U.S. Jews on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with a minority of those surveyed believing Israel and Palestine seek peace amid their heightening conflicts.
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Even among orthodox US Jews your views are the minority.

 
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mandrill said:
Hey, Dutch!!

Guess you're now an expert in journalism ethics and management now!

And also you have a more intelligent and ethical grasp on police procedure than the London cops! And you're a better prosecutor than the London Crown attorney's office! Real renaissance man!
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Journalism isn't all that complicated. All you have to do is tell the truth and avoid telling half-truths in an attempt to mislead. Doesn't take much expertise to understand that.

Police are to be respected for their bravery and, hopefully, their discipline in responding to difficult circumstances. However, neither the police nor crown attorneys are particularly wise or intelligent, certainly not on average, and they are subject to direct political pressure that DOES affect their decisions. That's not to say they always make the wrong call. However, there is no reason to defer to their judgment when it comes to the public policy impact of their charging decisions or their decisions whether to release information. If you don't see it that way, what can I say - you must have been born an authoritarian! The trouble with being an authoritarian is, depending on fortune, you can easily end up a slave!
 
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Frankfooter said:
'Token Jews'?
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Yes.

Have you heard the logical fallacy of appeal to authority? You are claiming that this small group of Jews are authorities in this because they are Jews while claiming Jews who disagree with your hateful agenda can't have a moral opinion because they are Jews.
 
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