I may be wrong, but, by definition, a "shortage" or "deficit" of a product is a situation when demand is higher than supply and the product must be rationed. So, no matter how you look at it, there is a shortage of available vaccine (or a shortage of a qualified personnel who can deliver it) since people who got their first does 2 month ago are still not able to receive there second dosed and need to wait for a month. Question: should the government do something about it to secure enough vaccine or speed up its delivery (in U.S. and most European countries people who want to get fully vaccinated do not need to wait till August). IMHO, the current timeline is not acceptable for a developed country.
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I totally disagree. We are currently vaccinating 1.02% of our population DAILY, and that's among the top in western countries.
Even if we get a lot more vaccine now, I doubt we can give it any faster.
We just got confirmation of 7 million doses of Moderna before the end of June.
At this rate, we are going to have surplus of vaccines by the end of summer.
We are doing extremely well no matter how you look at it.
If we are doing so well, why cannot I get my second dose for another month (I got mine in late April)? What kind of skills are needed to give a shot? We have lots of medical students: give them a 3-hour instruction ad set up a pop-up clinic in any of the empty schools. If we have enough vaccine but cannot set-up a fast delivery - the government is doing even worse job. This is pure incompetence. I look at my friends in U.S. and Europe - all of them already got fully vaccinated (and they are not 70 y.o.). No matter how you look at it, we are doing extremely poorly.
Overall the news is good, unless you happen to be one of these people who likes to kvetch!...
You probably would get your second dose soon, you should be the next eligible group.
The government is doing what we should do - targeting the vulnerable and the hot spots. You have not gotten your second dose yet because you are not at high risk.
Remember your "friends" in US is the 40% group, while your "friends" in Europe is in the 20-30% group who got fully vaccinated. In US, the rollout is much more chaotic, and a lot of populations especially the vulnerable ones are missing out.
Canada is poised to do better than all of them.
"Extremely poorly" - Seriously? By tomorrow, we will be number one in the world for at least one dose.
I seems that your only criteria for judging how well we are doing is the fact that you have not yet had your second dose?
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All I can tell you is what is on the Durham Health website where you book the appointment and has all the instructions.
COVID-19 Vaccines
Find the latest COVID-19 vaccine information from Durham Region Health Department. Learn about eligibility, how to book, reschedule and cancel your appointment. Access FAQs and trustworthy COVID-19 vaccine information.
www.durham.ca
So don't ask me, man, Durham is fucked. They are not upping appointments because they don't have enough. They only got Moderna.
My pharmacy is only being given Pfizer, which is what I want so I will wait for my appointment there as I scheduled work around it in case of side effects.
But no one is getting a bumped appointment that I know of in Durham.
I am not saying that we should not prioritise more vulnerable, I am saying: why we have to prioritises? Do we not have enough vaccine (and, if not, why the government is not doing a better job in getting them) or we do not have enough personnel to administer the shots (and, if yes, why we cannot use more people to do it, like medical students or firefighters who are trained in this simple task). The U.S. problem is that they need to persuade people to get vaccinated but anyone who wants to get a shot (either first or second) can get it right away. In Canada we have shortage or poor management since people who want to get their second shots have to wait for 12 weeks. My criteria for judgement: people who want to get vaccinated should not have to wait for more than a few days to get their shots.
This just shows you will never get everyone happy. We have 38 million people in Canada, and about 33 million 12+ eligible for a Covid vaccine.
So you expect everyone of the 33 million should not have to wait for more than a few days to get vaccinated????
You expect the vaccine manufacturer can ship you 66 million doses of vaccine at a snap of a finger?
And you expect we suddenly have capacity to administer 33 million doses in a few days?
It is just pure common sense why we have to take our turns.
We are already one of the fastest and highest vaccinated country in the world, and yet people still complains (while having unrealistic expectations).
I am trying to tell you that you DON'T have to follow Durham Health web site.
There are a few booking systems, each independent of each other. So Durham has their own booking system for their own clinics like Audrey, Chestnut Hill, Garnet, Sinclair etc.
OTOH, https://covid-19.ontario.ca/book-vaccine/ is a separate provincial system - as its name implies, it is for EVERYONE IN ONTARIO.
So you can make use of the provincial system to get an appointment if you can get it earlier, and you don't have to use Durham Health clinics, and you are not restricted to clinics in Durham region in the provincial site.
For example, my mom lives in York Region, and she got her first dose there, using York Region's own booking system. But when second appointment opens up earlier, the York Region clinics were hard to book, and I was able to use the Provincial system to book her an appointment at Metro Convention Centre on the same day.
I get what you are saying. I should have been clear in that. I was just showing what they are trying to tell us. Which, yes, it clearly not factual.
Thrilled and grateful that they're accelerating the process for 2nd doses but the plan has been total bullshit. First they have this huge ass window for the super seniors (70s, 80s) who only make up a small fraction of the population. Then they must have realized oh shit these guys will be done in no time, so next week they're opening it up to several populous regions (Toronto & Peel) but removed age and postal code restrictions so it's going to be a fucking free for all. Brilliant.
Why did you think it was total bullshit?
This was the plan all along, based on age for 70+, and then based on date of first dose for the rest. Now they are just moving the timeline up for hotspots area to counter the variant.
Congratulations!
Evermore so, since you're not even whining on this board about your 2nd does not being exactly, perfectly, unconditionally on the day, hour and minute of the manufacturers label interval after your first dose!
I had the option since my first shot was AZ to move up a month for a second shot of AZ or wait till my original scheduled date for my second shot and get Phizer.
To be honest I read and believed the extension between does was not a bad thing, I would not have agreed to get it any earlier than that.. I am very pleased with the whole process
Hmm. I got my 1st early may and my second is booked before the end of the month. Could it be you live somewhere transmission is low so you're don't have a high priority?
So we're #8 per capita in doses and #1 for at least 1 dose for a vaccine every country in the world is trying to get ASAP and you're complaining about the government?
I live in a large Ontario city, and, the last time I checked, you can only get second does appointment if you are 70 y.o. and had your first shot before April 18. And no healthy person under 70 could have gotten the first dose before April 18. If you could share a link where a healthy 54 y.o with first shot ion early May can get an appointment for the second shot - it would be greatly appreciated.
You can book second dose on June 14, Monday, as long as you live in Halton, Peel, Porcupine, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph or York Region and got your first dose on or before May 9.
And actually, 50+ in hotspots were allowed to get first dose in City of Toronto since April 8.
45+ in York Region hotspots could get first dose since April 6.
These are just 2 regions that I checked, so yes, there are quite a number of healthy people under 70 got their first dose before April 18.
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