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Texas Covid cases going down after relaxing mask law coupled with multiple factors

lenny2

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There is strong evidence that the transmission through the eyes is occurring as well so that eye protection should be considered.
People wearing masks that are not form fitted N95 masks are supposed to be doing it to protect others in theory but in reality are wearing the masks for what they believe is self protection which has shown to be a flawed argument.
Eye transmission is considered to be minimal, as is transmission via surfaces. But washing your hands & wearing some kind of eye protection is safer than not doing so. BTW almost every business, clinic & store i've visited this year has large see through barriers that are useful in protecting the eyes as well as the rest of a person's face.

The CDC says wearing a mask not only protects others from you, but also you from others:

"Wear Masks To Protect Yourself From The Coronavirus, Not Only Others, CDC Stresses":


 

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There is no evidence of transmission from free-floating viral particles. The transmission is from respiratory droplets and aerosols, the smallest of which are in the 5 um range.
...and surgical masks filter down to 1um.
"The surgical mask blocked about 60% of .03 micron particles and over 90% of 1 micron and 2.5 micron particles."


"in one study, researchers tested particles down to .007 microns (even smaller than viruses) and found that a simple surgical mask blocked 80%."

"... it’s downright surprising that surgical masks are just as effective [as N95 masks]! Maybe virus particles are actually easy to capture because they fly on water droplets.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/n95-mask-surgical-prevent-transmission-coronavirus/?rel=1
 

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Oh wait, whats this?? I'm not against social distancing per se, but this guy makes a good argument that even that doesnt always work.
Of course social distancing "doesn't always work". Does that even need to be stated. Maybe to preschoolers.

Seat belts don't always work to save a life.
Air bags don't always work to save a life.
Bike helmets don't always work to save a life or prevent serious injury.
Condoms don't always work to prevent HIV, STIs & pregnancy.
Social distancing doesn't always work to prevent covid infections.

Duh, duh, duh, duh & duh.


And make sure you guys read the part about the masks:

Unlike you, probably, i read the article.

Would you like me to go through it point by point & rip it a new asshole.
 
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lenny2

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From the article:

Even with masks on, as with smoking, those who are in the vicinity are heavily affected by the secondhand smoke that makes its way around the enclosed area and lingers

Surgical masks are useless. N95 masks is whats needed
False. As my other posts to you have revealed, surgical masks are highly effective. Even the article you refer to says masks work. So even it disagrees with your statement that "Surgical masks are useless. N95 masks is whats needed".

Many places - stores, businesses, clinics, homes - one goes to do not have this "secondhand (covid) smoke(/droplets/aerosols)" saturating it everywhere or even necessarily present at all or to any significant extent. Moreover in time, even if present, it would dissipate, fall to the floor, get stuck somewhere, lose its potency, die, etc.

You've provided no evidence that covid particles are like smoke from cigarettes that can saturate a room and infect people as easily as secondhand cigarette smoke enters a person. If that were the case, wouldn't we be seeing far more infections. We do know, however, that covid is released from people in large or small droplets that are big enough that they are usually blocked by cloth, surgical and N95 masks, thus making the mask wearer & those around him much safer.
 

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Texas case count down for 4 days in a row now. And yes I know its a small sample size, but at least they're on the right track:


 
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Texas case count down for 4 days in a row now. And yes I know its a small sample size, but at least they're on the right track:
No surprise there. Of course they're on the right track. At least as far as ever increasing numbers getting vaccinated. How long before Texas reaches herd immunity?
 

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Texas case count down for 4 days in a row now. And yes I know its a small sample size, but at least they're on the right track:


I hope that the Lone Star State continues to show a decrease in COVID-19 cases .However because they are not mutually exclusive from contact with the other states and they also remain a significant port of entry for illegal immigrants who arrive on foot with unknown health status I think unfortunately Texas and other original 2020 American hotspots will likely see surges in the voracious variants from UK, Brazil, S. Africa and the increasingly ominous Indian double mutation. A made in Canada variant is also becoming more likely with all of the strains present here. We are still relatively early in the pandemic yet and I hope that those double vaccinated individuals keep having the ability to produce resistance to Covid-19 and all of it’s variants.

One thing is certain, opening up seems to translate into eventual spreading of the virus and closing down seems to lead to economic and mental health catastrophes . Politics aside, COVID-19 is more than bi-partisan, it omno-partisan
 
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Instead of responding to an article about it I looked it up on the MIT site, it is more in depth.
https://news.mit.edu/2021/covid-19-risks-indoor-0415
A few key points from the study, 6 feet or 60 feet, if the infected person is not wearing a mask it won't make a difference indoors." Their analysis is based on the fact that in enclosed spaces, tiny airborne pathogen-bearing droplets emitted by people (not wearing masks) as they talk, cough, sneeze, sing, or eat will tend to float in the air for long periods and to be well-mixed throughout the space by air currents."
Also some statements made about masks as well.
"Early in the pandemic, there was less appreciation for the importance of ventilation systems and the use of face masks, which can dramatically affect the safe levels of occupancy, he says."
"For example, they found that while improved ventilation systems and face mask use make a big difference, air filtration systems have a relatively smaller effect on disease spread."
And if you go to the study itself, they get more dramatic in pointing out that masks are important:

Likewise, masks worn by both infected and susceptible persons will reduce the risk of transmission by a factor p2m, a dramatic effect given that pm≤0.1 for moderately high-quality masks (74, 75).
Ahh, but what about " Surgical masks are useless. N95 masks is whats needed " you say? They talk about that too.

the benefit of face masks is immediately apparent, since the CET limit is enhanced by a factor p−2m, the inverse square of the mask penetration factor. Standard surgical masks are characterized by pm=1to5% (73, 74), and so allow the CET to be extended by 400 to 10,000 times. Even cloth face coverings would extend the CET limit by 6 to 100 times for hybrid fabrics (pm=10to40%) or 1.5 to 6 times for single-layer fabrics (pm=40to80%)
So what is our takeaway from this study? Is anything Phil said accurate? Surprisingly, yes!

1. “We argue there really isn’t much of a benefit to the 6-foot rule, especially when people are wearing masks,” Bazant said in an interview.
= This is true. Since we are dealing with aerosols not droplets, physical distance in an unenclosed, unventilated setting does not make much difference.
2. " Surgical masks are useless. N95 masks is whats needed "
= This is false, contradicted directly by the text and math of the paper. Surgical masks are better than cloth by a higher margin than I would have expected. They didn't model N95s, but one would presume they are even better than surgical.

The real takeaway though is something the science has been saying for a while now - exposure time is the major factor. Outdoors with good ventilation, you are making it very hard to get an infectious dose. Inside, with poor ventilation, your risks go way up.
  • Limit exposure time indoors.
  • Distance isn't a factor but number of people is.
  • Limit the amount of heavy breathing everyone does inside (singing is a really bad idea)
  • Masks are very effective in prolonging the length of time you can stay in an enclosed area. Surgical > hybrid > cloth alone.
 

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Yes, thanks to Governor McConaughey and all the Democratic Texans who wear masks and got vaccinated. The anti-mask and anti-vax are the remaining stats.
 

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Worth noting as well that California which was THE US hotspot now has a noticeably lower daily case rate than Texas.
 

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So here we have last weekends fight between Canelo Alvarez and Billy Joe Saunders which was held in doors in Arlington, Texas at A T&T stadium before 73,126 souls.

Look real close at how many masked people you see compared to not masked........

Now tell me about your polls........
 

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So here we have last weekends fight between Canelo Alvarez and Billy Joe Saunders which was held in doors in Arlington, Texas at A T&T stadium before 73,126 souls.

Look real close at how many masked people you see compared to not masked........

Now tell me about your polls........
One event full of covidiots does not tell us anything about the whole state or what the vast majority are doing there.

My reference was dated March 31st, over a month ago, but speaks of the vast majority of Texans still wearing masks 3 weeks after the mandate was over.

"On March 10, Gov. Greg Abbott lifted the statewide mask mandate, leaving the choice to wear one up to people and businesses."

As for a crowd not wearing masks, as stated above it's up to businesses & evidently the vast majority were requiring masks.

Big crowd events have already been happening in many places even where mask wearing was mandated, few if any were vaccinated & cases of infections high. So a big crowd get together of people or covidiots is nothing new. What's changed is way more are vaccinated & infections are down in many locations.

"California stresses equity for minority groups. Texas is all about personal choice and liberty."

"... either partially or fully vaccinated...43% of Texans." (Apr.28, now over 51% only 12 days later).

https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/california-texas-covid-vaccine/
 

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One event full of covidiots does not tell us anything about the whole state or what the vast majority are doing there.

My reference was dated March 31st, over a month ago, but speaks of the vast majority of Texans still wearing masks 3 weeks after the mandate was over.

"On March 10, Gov. Greg Abbott lifted the statewide mask mandate, leaving the choice to wear one up to people and businesses."

As for a crowd not wearing masks, as stated above it's up to businesses & evidently the vast majority were requiring masks.

Big crowd events have already been happening in many places even where mask wearing was mandated, few if any were vaccinated & cases of infections high. So a big crowd get together of people or covidiots is nothing new. What's changed is way more are vaccinated & infections are down in many locations.

"California stresses equity for minority groups. Texas is all about personal choice and liberty."

"... either partially or fully vaccinated...43% of Texans." (Apr.28, now over 51% only 12 days later).

https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/california-texas-covid-vaccine/
Well tune in this weekend cuz the UFC will be in will be in the Toyota Center in Houston.

I'm betting that your vast majority will be sans masks for that one as well.

The fact of the matter is the majority of people are not wearing masks contrary to what your polls say.

As they say the proof is in the pudding........
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I really hate it when you guys quote someone I have on ignore, but here's my response anyways.

First of all, even if his poll is accurate it was taken almost 1.5 months ago, so its outdated and no longer relevant.

Second of all, even if 80% of Texans still wear their masks, we should have seen an approximate 20% increase in new cases since 20% are clearly not wearing their masks anymore. Except we're not seeing it, Texas cases continue to go down.

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

So once again a giant fail by lenny2, which explains why I have him on ignore
 
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