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Texas Covid cases going down after relaxing mask law coupled with multiple factors

Phil C. McNasty

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So on March 10th, 2021 Texas made wearing of masks no longer mandatory.
Its been exactly 1 month and 2 days, and the graph below is the result.

Today Texas had a low of just 1,400 cases. Ontario had over 4,400 cases.
Texas population is 29 million people. Ontario has about 15 million peeps.
So we had 3 times as many cases despite having only half of Texas population.
Explain that, you left-wing geniuses

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

 
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spraggamuffin

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Texas had some pretty big numbers all along so maybe it's because most of their population has already had covid.
They had some pretty big death numbers due to covid as well.
 

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Explain what? Where's your explanation, Nostradamus?

Haven't you yet figured out that the number of infections in any area is caused by numerous factors?

How many times have you made similar comments and they've been explained to you? For example, review your posts and the replies in the threads about Sweden.
 

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"Situation in Canada concerning, but experts say context critical when comparing countries


The staggering COVID-19 case numbers in the United States may have seemed like a world away compared to Canada's relative caseload for most of the pandemic, but recent statistics show the growing severity of the situation on this side of the border.

Friday, April 9 marked the first day since the early days of the pandemic in March 2020 that Canada averaged more confirmed cases per million people than the U.S.

The running graphic from Our World in Data — which uses statistics from Johns Hopkins University to juxtapose the seven-day average number of cases in both countries — showed that trend continuing on Saturday.

Experts say differences in the countries' vaccine rollouts and the presence of more transmissible variants in Canada contributed to this situation, but context is critical when comparing what's happening in both countries.


"Things are bad in Canada, I agree, but I think there's a little bit of caveat to say, 'We're worse than the United States right now,' without incorporating those pieces as part of the argument," said Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious disease physician and associate professor of medicine at McMaster University in Hamilton.

Chagla said that factors like testing behaviours in the U.S. and a higher rate of COVID-19 deaths per million in the U.S. are important to consider when assessing the situation. On April 9, when Canada recorded more cases per million, a graphic from Our World in Data showed the U.S. had 2.97 daily deaths per million on a seven-day average compared to 0.85 in Canada.


Epidemiologist Cynthia Carr says the data lines up with the Public Health Agency of Canada's warning on Feb. 19, when the agency presented modelling that suggested variants would lead to a surge in coronavirus cases across the country without stricter health measures.

Canada reported 3,091 confirmed COVID-19 cases on Feb. 19 — while on April 9, the country recorded 9,243 cases, according to a CBC News tally.

"We didn't react and we didn't have the opportunity to roll out the vaccine program fast enough due to supply chain challenges," said Carr, who founded EPI Research in Winnipeg.


The U.S. has outpaced Canada in terms of delivering vaccines in both total amount of doses given and on a per capita basis; as of Monday, Our World in Data shows that more than 35 per cent of the total U.S. population has received at least one dose, compared to just over 19 per cent in Canada.

As for cases, both Carr and Chagla suggested that the actual number in the U.S. is likely higher than the confirmed total, while Carr reiterated the impact of the more highly transmissible variants of concern in Canada.

"Canada is one of the only countries in the world to be dealing with all three [variants of concern] and again, the more than double [the number] of cases in less than two months shows the impact," she said.

Herd immunity a factor in U.S.

While Chagla credited the U.S. for its "aggressive" vaccine rollout, he said what happened in hot spots like New York, Los Angeles and Houston also affects their situation.

Because those areas and other parts of the country had massive numbers of cases and deaths, Chagla said a byproduct in that context is the emergence of some herd immunity among survivors.


"So now you have a lot of people getting vaccinated, a good chunk of those who have never had COVID, and then you have a good amount of the population that's already immune to COVID," he said.

"As you start seeing those thresholds get bigger and bigger and bigger, you actually start seeing what herd immunity does: there is less chance of transmission and less people that are able to get sick with COVID-19 because they've already been sick or they've been vaccinated fully in that context."


Even with Canada's ongoing vaccination campaigns, Chagla said it's going to take time to establish that level of population of immune people — partly because of the significant higher raw case total in the U.S.

"I mean, it's a gift and a curse that we've had reasonable control of our COVID-19 pandemic throughout the last few months," he said. "But the reality is there's estimates of 25 per cent of Americans being infected at some point or another.

"In Canada, the figure is probably closer to the 10 per cent range, so we are nowhere near a population-based herd immunity."

 
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So on March 10th, 2021 Texas made wearing of masks no longer mandatory.
Its been exactly 1 month and 2 days, and the graph below is the result.

Today Texas had a low of just 1,400 cases. Ontario had over 4,400 cases.
Texas population is 29 million people. Ontario has about 15 million peeps.
So we had 3 times as many cases despite having only half of Texas population.
Explain that, you left-wing geniuses

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

Doesn't take a PhD from a for pharmaceutical funded University to know that fresh air is healthier than breathing recycled air from a moist petri-dish.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Tell us how many factors account for the rate of transmission. Is it only masks
There's a bunch of them (obviously!).

But if all factors stay the same, and you deduct masks, and the count goes down and not up, you can only draw one conclusion.

And before you say other factors are causing the count to go down, please tell us which factors those are, and by how much
 

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There's a bunch of them (obviously!).

But if all factors stay the same, and you deduct masks, and the count goes down and not up, you can only draw one conclusion.

And before you say other factors are causing the count to go down, please tell us which factors those are, and by how much
They just don't get it or they are on a mission to promote nonsense. I've banned these trolls. I think they feed on stirring up emotion. If you have noticed, their arguments are always the same - kind of like a bot. I don't know what motivates people to ignore obvious facts. Either they are mentally defective or they are being paid to promote these ideas.
 

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There's a bunch of them (obviously!).

But if all factors stay the same, and you deduct masks, and the count goes down and not up, you can only draw one conclusion.

And before you say other factors are causing the count to go down, please tell us which factors those are, and by how much
Over 6M Texans have been fully vaccinated. Or do you feel that vaccines are useless?

And what will you say if there is another spike in Texas. Or because the relaxing of mask measures is working so well, are you guaranteeing that there will be no more spikes in Texas?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Over 6M Texans have been fully vaccinated. Or do you feel that vaccines are useless?
Thats 20% of the entire population.
So if you add another 10 to 20 percent natural immunity you're still only at 40% or so, which most likely isnt enough for herd immunity

And what will you say if there is another spike in Texas. Or because the relaxing of mask measures is working so well, are you guaranteeing that there will be no more spikes in Texas?
There quite possibly will be another wave or two before the whole thing is over.
However, if there was no spike after mask laws were relaxed, and even made the case count go down, you cannot possibly argue that masks made any difference whatsoever
 
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Hmmmmm
CASES
DAILY AVG.
PER
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14-DAY
CHANGE
HOSPITALIZED
DAILY AVG.
PER
100,000
14-DAY
CHANGE
DEATHS
DAILY AVG.
PER
100,000
FULLY
VACCINATED
Texas3,61612–5%
cases trajectory last two weeks
8,08328+110%72.90.25
 

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Pretty simple, if testing is reduced there will be less cases found, doesn't mean there are less actual cases or less transmission.
Texas has seen a decrease in testing since mask use was relaxed, much to the dismay of health professionals.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/12/coronavirus-texas-testing/
But data is starting to show the case rate and hospitalization rate starting to rise again even with decreased testing and 1 in 5 Texans being fully vaccinated.
https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Pretty simple, if testing is reduced there will be less cases found, doesn't mean there are less actual cases or less transmission
According to this site number of tests performed is only slightly down.
Positivity percentage is also down, and that tells the whole story


 

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Thats 20% of the entire population.
So if you add another 10 to 20 percent natural immunity you're still only at 40% or so, which most likely isnt enough for herd immunity


There quite possibly will be another wave or two before the whole thing is over.
However, if there was no spike after mask laws were relaxed, and even made the case count go down, you cannot possibly argue that masks made any difference whatsoever
Who said anything about herd immunity? Even you must understand that the 6M+ people that have been immunized can no longer become cases. That is close to 25% of the population and has to be a big factor in why cases are trending down.
 

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According to this site number of tests performed is only slightly down.
Positivity percentage is also down, and that tells the whole story


This data does not pertain to all of Texas, it is only from 6 systems in the group that make up Texas Medical center in Houston,. also did you notice their disclaimer at the bottom right?
 
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Pretty simple, if testing is reduced there will be less cases found, doesn't mean there are less actual cases or less transmission.
Texas has seen a decrease in testing since mask use was relaxed, much to the dismay of health professionals.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/12/coronavirus-texas-testing/
But data is starting to show the case rate and hospitalization rate starting to rise again even with decreased testing and 1 in 5 Texans being fully vaccinated.
https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/
This data does not pertain to all of Texas, it is only from 6 systems in the group that make up Texas Medical center in Houston,. also did you notice their disclaimer at the bottom right?
You're going to make Phil's head explode trying to digest and come back with a spin to the facts. LMAO

Texas is a disgrace trying to unravel whatever Biden is trying to do with pulling the restriction cord to quickly.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You're going to make Phil's head explode trying to digest and come back with a spin to the facts. LMAO
No, I'm gonna back up my argument with facts.
And you still havent answered me as to what factors could have led to the decrease in cases for Texas over the last 34 days
 
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