Blue Jays 2021

[Zoot Allures]

Didnt realize championships were won in April, especially in this day and age where 1/3 of the teams make it into the playoffs.

Baseball is the worst sport for that because they play so few little games.

I mean the season is basically won or lost April.

making playoffs is not the issue

the playoffs have the best hitters so you need the best pitchers

we cannot count on our hitters to win if our pitchers do not control the opposition

even if pearson and ryu are pitching great in the playoffs, and that is a big if, we still have only two quality pitchers

i doubt that is enough


it will depend on our relief staff and great management by our coach as much as our starters

what is your opinion of our relievers?

 

[black booty lover]

making playoffs is not the issue

the playoffs have the best hitters so you need the best pitchers

we cannot count on our hitters to win if our pitchers do not control the opposition

even if pearson and ryu are pitching great in the playoffs, and that is a big if, we still have only two quality pitchers

i doubt that is enough


it will depend on our relief staff and great management by our coach as much as our starters

what is your opinion of our relievers?

Again, jumping the gun big time.


There’s so much that can change and develop between now and then. No need to worry about that now. That’s why teams wait until the trade deadline to decide if they’re buyers or sellers.

 

[K Douglas]

Okay, I'm going to have to said it again then. Do you watch baseball? Anyone that thinks this rotation is "below average" has little to zero knowledge about the rest of the league.

There's literally no way for me to sugar coat it.

And FYI, these guys have "stocked the cupboard" with arms just as much if not more then AA did so not exactly sure where you getting this idea from.

Your also using that wonderful crystal ball of yours to much. "Pearson will struggle".....lol. Didn't realize you were a pro scout.

Again, Tanner Roark fights for the 5th spot on any team in baseball.


Your problem is you have no idea what an "average rotation" in baseball is. Either that or your idea of average is grouped with about 4 teams in baseball that have better rotations.

Good grief man its like debating with an insolent child. You clearly know that I know what I'm talking about, I've followed baseball religiously since I started playing in fantasy pools in 1993. I know and watch all the players. I'll go through and give you at least 17 starting rotations that are better than the Jays. I'll get back to you on that later today.

 

[black booty lover]

Good grief man its like debating with an insolent child. You clearly know that I know what I'm talking about, I've followed baseball religiously since I started playing in fantasy pools in 1993. I know and watch all the players. I'll go through and give you at least 17 starting rotations that are better than the Jays. I'll get back to you on that later today.

Looking forward to it.

Technically speaking, seeing as there’s 30 teams in the league, 11-20 would be the average, so you have to find 20 teams with a better rotation. Good luck finding more then 6 though.

 

[Big Rig]

Again, jumping the gun big time.


There’s so much that can change and develop between now and then. No need to worry about that now. That’s why teams wait until the trade deadline to decide if they’re buyers or sellers.

waiting for the deadline to buy means you pay premium price

 

[black booty lover]

waiting for the deadline to buy means you pay premium price

not true at all.

 

[shack]

Another challenge for the Jays as they lose their closer for "weeks".

Blue Jays' projected closer Kirby Yates out multiple weeks with strained arm | CBC Sports

 

[K Douglas]

Looking forward to it.

Technically speaking, seeing as there’s 30 teams in the league, 11-20 would be the average, so you have to find 20 teams with a better rotation. Good luck finding more then 6 though.

In my opinion these 14 teams have a better starting rotation than the Jays (alphabetically listed)

Atlanta Braves (Max Fried, Charlie Morton, Ian Anderson, Mike Soroka, Kyle Wright)
Chicago White Sox (Lucas Giolito, Dallas Keuchel, Lance Lynn, Dylan Cease, Carlos Rodon/Michael Kopech)
Cleveland Indians (Shane Bieber, Zach Plesac, Aaron Civale, Triston McKenzie, Logan Allen)
Houston Astros (Zack Greinke, Lance McCullers Jr. Jose Urquidy, Framber Valdez, Cristian Javier, Justin Verlander(inj))
Los Angeles Dodgers (Clayton Kershaw, Trevor Bauer, Walker Buehler, Julio Urias, Dustin May)
Milwaukee Brewers (Brandon Woodruff, Corbin Burnes, Adrian Houser, Josh Lindblom, Brett Anderson)
Minnesota Twins (Jose Berrios, Kenta Maeda, Michael Pineda, J.A. Happ, Matt Shoemaker)
New York Mets (Jacob deGrom, Carlos Carrasco, Marcus Stroman, Taijuan Walker, David Peterson)
New York Yankees (Gerrit Cole, Jameson Taillon, Corey Kluber, Jordan Montgomery, Domingo German, Luis Severino (inj))
Oakland A's (Chris Bassit, Jesus Luzardo, Sean Manaea, Frankie Montas, A.J. Puk)
Philadelphia Phillies (Aaron Nola, Zack Wheeler, Zach Eflin, Vince Velasquez, Spencer Howard)
San Diego Padres (Yu Darvish, Blake Snell, Dinelson Lamet, Chris Paddack, Joe Musgrove, Mike Clevinger(inj))
St. Louis Cardinals (Jack Flaherty, Adam Wainwright, Carlos Martinez, Kwang Hyun Kim, Miles Mikolas)
Washington Nationals (Max Scherzer, Stephen Strasburg, Patrick Corbin, Jon Lester, Joe Ross)

These are 3 which I think are marginally better than the Jays rotation

Arizona Diamandbacks (Zac Gallen, Madison Bumgarner, Luke Weaver, Merrill Kelly, Caleb Smith)
Boston Red Sox (Eduardo Rodriguez, Garrett Richards, Nathan Eovaldi, Martin Perez, Nick Pivetta, Chris Sale(inj))
Miami Marlins (Sandy Alcantara, Pablo Lopez, Elisier Hernandez, Sixto Sanchez, Trevor Rogers)

 

[bemeup]

In my opinion these 14 teams have a better starting rotation than the Jays (alphabetically listed)

Atlanta Braves (Max Fried, Charlie Morton, Ian Anderson, Mike Soroka, Kyle Wright)
Chicago White Sox (Lucas Giolito, Dallas Keuchel, Lance Lynn, Dylan Cease, Carlos Rodon/Michael Kopech)
Cleveland Indians (Shane Bieber, Zach Plesac, Aaron Civale, Triston McKenzie, Logan Allen)
Houston Astros (Zack Greinke, Lance McCullers Jr. Jose Urquidy, Framber Valdez, Cristian Javier, Justin Verlander(inj))
Los Angeles Dodgers (Clayton Kershaw, Trevor Bauer, Walker Buehler, Julio Urias, Dustin May)
Milwaukee Brewers (Brandon Woodruff, Corbin Burnes, Adrian Houser, Josh Lindblom, Brett Anderson)
Minnesota Twins (Jose Berrios, Kenta Maeda, Michael Pineda, J.A. Happ, Matt Shoemaker)
New York Mets (Jacob deGrom, Carlos Carrasco, Marcus Stroman, Taijuan Walker, David Peterson)
New York Yankees (Gerrit Cole, Jameson Taillon, Corey Kluber, Jordan Montgomery, Domingo German, Luis Severino (inj))
Oakland A's (Chris Bassit, Jesus Luzardo, Sean Manaea, Frankie Montas, A.J. Puk)
Philadelphia Phillies (Aaron Nola, Zack Wheeler, Zach Eflin, Vince Velasquez, Spencer Howard)
San Diego Padres (Yu Darvish, Blake Snell, Dinelson Lamet, Chris Paddack, Joe Musgrove, Mike Clevinger(inj))
St. Louis Cardinals (Jack Flaherty, Adam Wainwright, Carlos Martinez, Kwang Hyun Kim, Miles Mikolas)
Washington Nationals (Max Scherzer, Stephen Strasburg, Patrick Corbin, Jon Lester, Joe Ross)

These are 3 which I think are marginally better than the Jays rotation

Arizona Diamandbacks (Zac Gallen, Madison Bumgarner, Luke Weaver, Merrill Kelly, Caleb Smith)
Boston Red Sox (Eduardo Rodriguez, Garrett Richards, Nathan Eovaldi, Martin Perez, Nick Pivetta, Chris Sale(inj))
Miami Marlins (Sandy Alcantara, Pablo Lopez, Elisier Hernandez, Sixto Sanchez, Trevor Rogers)

That’s some good research. Of all those rotations, I think the Padres may be the best.

 

[K Douglas]

That’s some good research. Of all those rotations, I think the Padres may be the best.

Padres and Dodgers are the 2 elite rotations. I'd give the slight edge to the Dodgers because this year we will see the emergence of Julio Urias and Dustin May.

 

[black booty lover]

In my opinion these 14 teams have a better starting rotation than the Jays (alphabetically listed)

Atlanta Braves (Max Fried, Charlie Morton, Ian Anderson, Mike Soroka, Kyle Wright)
Chicago White Sox (Lucas Giolito, Dallas Keuchel, Lance Lynn, Dylan Cease, Carlos Rodon/Michael Kopech)
Cleveland Indians (Shane Bieber, Zach Plesac, Aaron Civale, Triston McKenzie, Logan Allen)
Houston Astros (Zack Greinke, Lance McCullers Jr. Jose Urquidy, Framber Valdez, Cristian Javier, Justin Verlander(inj))
Los Angeles Dodgers (Clayton Kershaw, Trevor Bauer, Walker Buehler, Julio Urias, Dustin May)
Milwaukee Brewers (Brandon Woodruff, Corbin Burnes, Adrian Houser, Josh Lindblom, Brett Anderson)
Minnesota Twins (Jose Berrios, Kenta Maeda, Michael Pineda, J.A. Happ, Matt Shoemaker)
New York Mets (Jacob deGrom, Carlos Carrasco, Marcus Stroman, Taijuan Walker, David Peterson)
New York Yankees (Gerrit Cole, Jameson Taillon, Corey Kluber, Jordan Montgomery, Domingo German, Luis Severino (inj))
Oakland A's (Chris Bassit, Jesus Luzardo, Sean Manaea, Frankie Montas, A.J. Puk)
Philadelphia Phillies (Aaron Nola, Zack Wheeler, Zach Eflin, Vince Velasquez, Spencer Howard)
San Diego Padres (Yu Darvish, Blake Snell, Dinelson Lamet, Chris Paddack, Joe Musgrove, Mike Clevinger(inj))
St. Louis Cardinals (Jack Flaherty, Adam Wainwright, Carlos Martinez, Kwang Hyun Kim, Miles Mikolas)
Washington Nationals (Max Scherzer, Stephen Strasburg, Patrick Corbin, Jon Lester, Joe Ross)

These are 3 which I think are marginally better than the Jays rotation

Arizona Diamandbacks (Zac Gallen, Madison Bumgarner, Luke Weaver, Merrill Kelly, Caleb Smith)
Boston Red Sox (Eduardo Rodriguez, Garrett Richards, Nathan Eovaldi, Martin Perez, Nick Pivetta, Chris Sale(inj))
Miami Marlins (Sandy Alcantara, Pablo Lopez, Elisier Hernandez, Sixto Sanchez, Trevor Rogers)

There's definitely teams in there that are not better then Toronto. At best they're arguably better.

The teams from your list that are better are:

Atlanta, Houston, L.A, N.Y, San Diego and Washington and maybe the Mets. That's it.

Cleveland probably has a better 1,2 punch then ours, but 3-5 they're weaker.

 

[K Douglas]

There's definitely teams in there that are not better then Toronto. At best they're arguably better.

The teams from your list that are better are:

Atlanta, Houston, L.A, N.Y, San Diego and Washington and maybe the Mets. That's it.

Cleveland probably has a better 1,2 punch then ours, but 3-5 they're weaker.

Maybe the Mets? Wow that's ridiculous. They have the best pitcher in MLB. And if Carrasco is healthy one of the top #2's.
We are showing Robbie Ray as our #2. He doesn't beat any #2 on the list I provided. Not even close.
Nate Pearson has done nothing at the major league level yet, he's our #3.
I'm going to take the St. Louis Cardinals from clearly better category to marginally better, I overrated them. Carlos Martinez is a hot mess.
Even our potential #5 Ross Stripling, who I'm actually somewhat high on, got battered yesterday by the worst hitting lineup in baseball - Detroit Tigers. Doesn't bode well for us, it will become apparent as the season progresses.
I think you are being a little too 'homerish' in your prediction of the Jays rotation. Having them at #7 is laughable. You'd be hard pressed to find any MLB pundit ranking them even in the top 10.

 

[Zoot Allures]

Another challenge for the Jays as they lose their closer for "weeks".

Blue Jays' projected closer Kirby Yates out multiple weeks with strained arm | CBC Sports

third pitcher to go down

they will come back but others will go down

to have them all healthy in playoffs will not happen although if we can get into playoffs early we can rest them which would be huge bonus

i rest my case that our staff needs more quality depth to be a serious threat to win the world series

 

[shack]

third player to go down

they are all pitchers

they will come back but others will go down

to have them all healthy in playoffs will not happen although if we can get into playoffs early we can rest them which would be huge bonus

i rest my case that our staff needs more quality depth to be a serious threat to win the world series

They have depth on the back end of the rotation. A lot of #4's and 5's. But not much aside from Ryu at the top end.

 

[shack]

Even our potential #5 Ross Stripling, who I'm actually somewhat high on, got battered yesterday

Buck and Pat thought that he had a good outing aside from the 3 runs in the 2nd, I believe it was. And 2 runs were due to a throwing error by Semien.

 

[black booty lover]

Maybe the Mets? Wow that's ridiculous. They have the best pitcher in MLB. And if Carrasco is healthy one of the top #2's.
We are showing Robbie Ray as our #2. He doesn't beat any #2 on the list I provided. Not even close.
Nate Pearson has done nothing at the major league level yet, he's our #3.
I'm going to take the St. Louis Cardinals from clearly better category to marginally better, I overrated them. Carlos Martinez is a hot mess.
Even our potential #5 Ross Stripling, who I'm actually somewhat high on, got battered yesterday by the worst hitting lineup in baseball - Detroit Tigers. Doesn't bode well for us, it will become apparent as the season progresses.
I think you are being a little too 'homerish' in your prediction of the Jays rotation. Having them at #7 is laughable. You'd be hard pressed to find any MLB pundit ranking them even in the top 10.

Carrasco is not healthy, and Stroman didn’t pitch at all last year coming off TJ surgery.

Nate Pearson, has not done a thing at the major league level, but his upside is ridiculous. So yes it’s a maybe, the same way there are major question marks in half those teams you mentioned.

As I said, your comment was the rotation is “below average”, meaning there has to be 20 teams with clear and cut better rotations.

Its far from below average, especially after manoah’s service times gets manipulated and they bring him up.

 

[Zoot Allures]

They have depth on the back end of the rotation. A lot of #4's and 5's. But not much aside from Ryu at the top end.

Pearson may be another top end thrower

time will tell

we need one more then cross fingers there is not a train wreck of injuries


how good is our relief ?

they did a quality job last year but some left

a top notch relief staff is as good as another top end starter but depth is required for them to save games all the time

same relievers cannot throw an inning or two every game

during the season our bats will win a lot of games but not in the playoffs where starters are top end and the relievers are lights out


cheers

 

[saxon]

Yates done for the season, Tommy John surgery.

 

[Big Rig]

Yates done for the season, Tommy John surgery.

deja vu all over again

Last year it was Giles

 

[black booty lover]

Yates done for the season, Tommy John surgery.

Sucks, kind of hoping he was going to have a bounce back year.