Some masks better than others

[basketcase]

Surgical masks offer no protection because infected air can escape from the sides, the top, and the bottom of the mask.

You need to get with the program. N95 masks is whats needed

Keep promoting your stupidity. Obviously you have no interest in reality or science. I've said all along that if you want 100% protection you need a suit with self-contained breathing and a chemical shower room in the airlock at the entrance to your home. Everything else including N95s are just partial protection based on potential risk.

p.s. Along with an N95 allowing 5% of particles to escape by definition, your guestimated fit lets air escape too.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Keep promoting your stupidity. Obviously you have no interest in reality or science. I've said all along that if you want 100% protection you need a suit with self-contained breathing and a chemical shower room in the airlock at the entrance to your home. Everything else including N95s are just partial protection based on potential risk.

p.s. Along with an N95 allowing 5% of particles to escape by definition, your guestimated fit lets air escape too

The only one who keeps promoting stupidity is you.
You've lost this debate. Admit it and move on

 

[shack]

Keep promoting your stupidity. Obviously you have no interest in reality or science. I've said all along that if you want 100% protection you need a suit with self-contained breathing and a chemical shower room in the airlock at the entrance to your home. Everything else including N95s are just partial protection based on potential risk.

p.s. Along with an N95 allowing 5% of particles to escape by definition, your guestimated fit lets air escape too...

...which does not guarantee transmission. Even if 10% it does not guarantee transmission. Same with 30%. Same with50%.

5% is better than 30% obviously, but both of them have decreased the amount of a breath/virus. The lower the concentration of virus, the less chance that it will find a target. Even if a target is found, it does not mean that it will result in transmission. It may not find an exposed mucous membrane or other portal of entry in which case there is no transmission. And even if it is transmitted it is not guaranteed that the person would become infected. Not everyone who comes in contact with measles gets measles. Not everbody who has unsafe sex with an AIDS patient will get AIDS. Not one step has a 100% chance of successfully advancing the process.

Every step of the process from exhalation to a virus infection have percentages. It is not the all or nothing way to look at it, that you seem to take. It is a matter of taking enough precautions to decrease the percentages. A mask that stops 85% is taking a huge chunk out of those percentages immediately.

 

[basketcase]

The only one who keeps promoting stupidity is you.
You've lost this debate. Admit it and move on

So you still stick to the claim that N95 masks work and other masks don't? Even though it has been shown N95 aren't 100% protection either?

 

[basketcase]

...which does not guarantee transmission. Even if 10% it does not guarantee transmission. Same with 30%. Same with50%.

5% is better than 30% obviously, but both of them have decreased the amount of a breath/virus. The lower the concentration of virus, the less chance that it will find a target. Even if a target is found, it does not mean that it will result in transmission. It may not find an exposed mucous membrane or other portal of entry in which case there is no transmission. And even if it is transmitted it is not guaranteed that the person would become infected. Not everyone who comes in contact with measles gets measles. Not everbody who has unsafe sex with an AIDS patient will get AIDS. Not one step has a 100% chance of successfully advancing the process.

Every step of the process from exhalation to a virus infection have percentages. It is not the all or nothing way to look at it, that you seem to take. It is a matter of taking enough precautions to decrease the percentages. A mask that stops 85% is taking a huge chunk out of those percentages immediately.

Phil doesn't believe in probabilities, only absolutes.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So you still stick to the claim that N95 masks work and other masks don't? Even though it has been shown N95 aren't 100% protection either?

There is no such thing as 100% protection.

However, the numbers show that current mask usage isnt working and that N95 masks are needed

 

[Butler1000]

There is no such thing as 100% protection.

However, the numbers show that current mask usage isnt working and that N95 masks are needed

When we dropped to 100 cases a day it was because we were outside, lots of mask wearing, people buying in.

When flu season hit, along with indoors, isolation fatigue, schools back, and the holiday season it ranmped up.

Since lockdown occured and mask wearing back up we are declining again from near 4000 cases to 2500.

Masks work as a part of several measures. Nothing is 100% but if masks reduce by even 50% as a part of the other measures then they are needed.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

When we dropped to 100 cases a day it was because we were outside, lots of mask wearing, people buying in.

When flu season hit, along with indoors, isolation fatigue, schools back, and the holiday season it ranmped up.

Since lockdown occured and mask wearing back up we are declining again from near 4000 cases to 2500.

Masks work as a part of several measures. Nothing is 100% but if masks reduce by even 50% as a part of the other measures then they are needed

The masks people are currently wearing arent reducing new cases by 50%. Like not even close.

The only thing that has stopped/reduced the 2nd wave is the lockdown.
And in Quebec they went even a step further by implementing a curfew, and that worked even better

 

[doggystyle99]

However, the numbers show that current mask usage isnt working and that N95 masks are needed

Absolutely incorrect.
The numbers do not show anything to do with mask usage not working, they actually show the exact opposite, you’re just immune to facts.
What the numbers do show is that a small but a significant percentage of the population in Canada are disobeying the preventive measures guidelines to combat the virus which in affect has been increasing the rate of transmission.

 

[doggystyle99]

The masks people are currently wearing arent reducing new cases by 50%. Like not even close.

The only thing that has stopped/reduced the 2nd wave is the lockdown.
And in Quebec they went even a step further by implementing a curfew, and that worked even better

You just contradicted your own earlier statements about masks “mask usage isnt working” let’s see how long it will take you to figure out what the cause is for the increase in cases.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Absolutely incorrect.
The numbers do not show anything to do with mask usage not working, they actually show the exact opposite, you’re just immune to facts

New infections tripled a few months after masks were mandated. You are once again wrong

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You just contradicted your own earlier statements about masks “mask usage isnt working”

I said masks people are CURENTTLY wearing arent working. You dont read very well

 

[Butler1000]

The masks people are currently wearing arent reducing new cases by 50%. Like not even close.

The only thing that has stopped/reduced the 2nd wave is the lockdown.
And in Quebec they went even a step further by implementing a curfew, and that worked even better

US numbers vs ours add to my argument. Per capita we are much better with a very similar demographic.

To say masks don't help reduce transmission is stupid Phil. Doctors have been doing it for over a century now. In operating theatres and wards around the world.

Every percentage helps.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

US numbers vs ours add to my argument. Per capita we are much better with a very similar demographic.

To say masks don't help reduce transmission is stupid Phil. Doctors have been doing it for over a century now. In operating theatres and wards around the world.

Every percentage helps

Not when you take into account a virus thats as contagious as Covid.

The masks people are currently wearing has air that escaped from the sides, the top and the bottom.
The virus is airborne, in a small confined space like a store, a streetcar or bus, that air will circulate itself within minutes and infect others around you.

Current masks people are wearing dont do shit, and the numbers would back up that assertion

 

[shack]

Not when you take into account a virus thats as contagious as Covid.

The masks people are currently wearing has air that escaped from the sides, the top and the bottom.
The virus is airborne, in a small confined space like a store, a streetcar or bus, that air will circulate itself within minutes and infect others around you.

Current masks people are wearing dont do shit, and the numbers would back up that assertion

You have lost the debate. You're beginning to sound like c-m.

 

[squeezer]

You have lost the debate. You're beginning to sound like c-m.

I dunno, CM and TJ should be in a special padded room gaggled and key thrown away. Phil is probably in the waiting room being examined if he should join them.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You have lost the debate. You're beginning to sound like c-m

Its you who's lost the debate, you've seen new cases increase while masks were mandated and now you cannot admit you're wrong

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I dunno, CM and TJ should be in a special padded room gaggled and key thrown away. Phil is probably in the waiting room being examined if he should join them

Hey smartypants, why do you think most doctors and nurses wear N95 masks inside hospitals??

Lets see if you can figure this one out

 

[squeezer]

Hey smartypants, why do you think most doctors and nurses wear N95 masks inside hospitals??

Lets see if you can figure this one out

Actually many wear the blue medical masks. Some with visors on top and a few without. I dropped someone off at Emerg Saturday night (non covid related) and took note of that. Hope my factual visual hasn't upset your narrative, if so, sorry. Ah, not really, I enjoy showing you the errors of your way and hopefully help keep you out of the padded room.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Actually many wear the blue medical masks. Some with visors on top and a few without. I dropped someone off at Emerg Saturday night (non covid related) and took note of that. Hope my factual visual hasn't upset your narrative, if so, sorry. Ah, not really, I enjoy showing you the errors of your way and hopefully help keep you out of the padded room

Thats because surgical masks help stop spread of bacteria (mainly from splashes or large droplets). What you probably dont know is that bacteria are 100 times the size of viruses. To stop viruses you need to wear an N95 mask.

What does this pic say?? (its right from the CDC website)