Some masks better than others
- Thread starter Phil C. McNasty
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And you pretend reality is something different. Masks became widely used by the start of June which corresponds quite well to the numbers. And are you now saying eye protection is useless too? Are you going to go back and edit all the posts you made on that topic?...
I'm going by the data, and it shows it hasnt made any difference.
You should perhaps take a course in math and/or statistics
Covid is airborne, face shields let even more air escape through the top, the sides and the bottom.
In addition to math and statistics, you should perhaps take a course in physics as well
Grocery stores were the leaders in telling everyone to wear a mask. They couldn't enforce it because the government hadn't acted yet and still the significant majority were wearing them.
But accepting reality would undermine your argument so don't bother.
Not true. The stores I went to enforced the rule. I saw a few incidents.
But it's true. Cases were on a steady decline after masks were mandated until they went down to under 100.
But you cannot discuss if masks made a difference when you refuse to take the other factors into account.
I didn't say that in this case. You admitted that you were happy to post that cases were going up because you misguidedly thought that it proved your point that masks were useless. There's a difference.
See? You did it again. You acknowledge that there are other factors but then dismiss them. BTW, other factors did not stay constant in late Sept onward as it got colder and people stayed indoors more and there were more holidays which coincided exactly with our biggest spikes in the last month or 2.
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I believe they could enforce it just the same as "no shirts, no shoes, no service". And I saw it done.
According to the messiah in March masks are not effective.........
Now all of a sudden they are? And you wonder why people are confused.
I do wonder because the message has been consistent for 9 months now, wear a mask. For one month they said "no masks" but for the last 9 months "masks do work". Either people are really stupid or they are just against masks period and are are using the 1st month's recommendation as a lame excuse. Since when is 9 months of a consistent message "all of a sudden"?
MASK UP. SAVE LIVES. HELP END THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE HURTING OUR ECONOMY.
Eye protection is only useless if it leaves large gaps from which contaminated air can infect you.
Safety googles would work though
Exactly! Most people werent wearing masks because stores werent enforcing it.
You hit the nail on the head
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Thats simply not true. Wearing masks was encouraged, but wasnt enforced at all.
Even the TTC didnt make masks mandatory until July 2nd (so 12 days before the Ontario mandate)
You have to take a rolling average of 1 to 2 months after masks were mandated.
Its shows masks made no difference
Masks made no difference
Not happy they made no difference, I merely thought it was funny you guys were still arguing masks worked when new cass tripled going into late summer and the fall. And I still think its funny that its now January and you are still arguing a lost point
If people stayed indoors more and less people were going out shopping, then they would have less chance of spreading the virus also.
When I say other factors I'm mostly referring to colder weather which is more conducive to spreading a virus (hence the name "flu season")
Individual stores did and I saw it.
After all this time you are still arguing and still wrong.
Which accounts more for the latest surge than the ineffectiveness of masks.
Maybe 1 or 2. I was in many grocery stores and the Eaton Centre, and masks were NOT mandatory until mid July
As are you
Absolutely the flu season accounts for latest surge, but that doesnt change the fact masks made no difference.
And the numbers back that up
Compared to wearing no mask at all? Yes. BTW, I'm waiting for the study that you're ready to spring on me.
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The cold weather has nothing to do with Thanksgiving dinners, Hallowe'en parties, Xmas get togethers, New Years celebrations. All of which, you refuse to acknowledge. Not only that people get together but they are also much less likely to be wearing masks at these. You pin everything on masks and not human behaviour or should I say covidiot behaviour. It is not the failure of masks, it is the failure to comply. Please acknowledge.
Were you allowed out of the house at the time? if you were, you'd know how full of shit you are. Most people were wearing masks in stores and it was because medical advice was telling them to, not just because the stores said so.Exactly! Most people werent wearing masks because stores werent enforcing it.
You hit the nail on the head
Sadly it's not just the TJs of the world. I know a number of otherwise rational people who insist on wearing masks when out who somehow justify to themselves that get-togethers without masks are fine because their friends aren't sick.
This is very true. It happens all the time and this is what is causing much of the spread.
There is very clearly a strong causality between all the festive times from mid-October to Jan. 1 and the rise of cases. We had a huge spike that timed up perfectly with all those holidays and corresponding social gatherings where, as basketcase stated, people assumed that their friends and relatives were healthy and forewent covering up. It is no mere coincidence. All the while Phil says that people's behaviour didn't change so it was the fault of masks.
Another non-coincidence is now that there have been no holidays since, cases are dropping dramatically. Maybe Phil pulled the mask over his eyes when he fitted himself with the N95.
I've already told you earlier, the numbers should have gone down from the day masks were mandated, July 14th to about Sept. 14th.
They didnt go down, they went up instead. That proves masks didnt work
