Video Shows MAGA Rioter Throwing Fire Extinguisher At Capitol Police, Striking One In The Head

[versitile1]

Yes, the degree to which an object can deflect from the vector of collision has a direct effect on the amount of force transferred to the object it collides with. A projectile with a hard exterior surface and rough edges is less likely to deflect at the point of impact that a smoother hard object covered by a softer displaceable exterior. And then, in addition, there is the cushioning effect of whatever the covering is.

Basic physics. A soft covering operates in the same way as grease. That's why boxers put vaseline on the faces. To reduce the force of punches that are landed.

Wrong. A cloth covering would have little to no effect in reducing the impact in this case, even though there is no cloth covering on the fire extinguisher. Do you think being struck with a bare padlock would be harder than being struck with a padlock in a sock?

And boxers apply vaseline to reduce the risk of cuts from the friction of the gloves, not because of some imaginary cushioning effect.

And you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Fun For All]

IIRC, the Kavanaugh occupiers were a handful of observers who became obstreperous and were removed.

That's a long way from a violent storming and seizure by a massive armed mob.

People protesting Kavanaugh and the Trump riot aren't even in the same world.

 

[Dutch Oven]

IIRC, the Kavanaugh occupiers were a handful of observers who became obstreperous and were removed.

That's a long way from a violent storming and seizure by a massive armed mob.

Although I don't think it's the numbers that matter, I think you are saying the same thing that I am.

 

[Valcazar]

Good people on both sides I guess...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-capitol-injuires-trump/2021/01/11/ca68e3e2-5438-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html

It seems everyone got released from the hospital within the week. Don't know what kind of lasting injuries they sustained.

 

[Fun For All]

It seems everyone got released from the hospital within the week. Don't know what kind of lasting injuries they sustained.

Not to be a smartass, but if you told those cops "you were out of the hospital within a week" wouldn't make the ordeal feel any better.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Wrong. A cloth covering would have little to no effect in reducing the impact in this case, even though there is no cloth covering on the fire extinguisher. Do you think being struck with a bare padlock would be harder than being struck with a padlock in a sock?

And boxers apply vaseline to reduce the risk of cuts from the friction of the gloves, not because of some imaginary cushioning effect.

And you want to be taken seriously.

Your understanding of physics needs updating.

First, the boxers. It isn't friction alone that causes the skin to tear into a cut. It's force + friction. However, friction is just a measurement of how much or how little deflection there is at the point of contact. High deflection equals low friction, and vice versa. Boxers employ the same strategy in relation to all blows they receive. They attempt to be at an angle to any blow to receive less force due to deflection.

Cushioning achieves a certain amount of dispersion of force and/or redirection/reflection of force. That's why hockey helmets work. Thus, a lock in a sock transfers less force than a lock at the same velocity without a covering.

If a heavy object at a specific velocity hits another object and cannot deflect or disperse its energy, all of that force is transferred to the object it hits. If it can deflect or disperse, some of it's force will not be transferred to the object that is struck. A loose covering allows for some deflection and or dispersal (cushioning).

 

[versitile1]

Let me put it into context for you. If no one had been harmed and no signficant property damage had occurred, wouldn't this occupation have been viewed the same way the illegal occupation of the Capital that occurred during the Kavanaugh hearing was? Civil unrest, but not really that big a deal? It's the death of Sicknick that inflames the narrative of what happened. Therefore, it's important to understand how and why it happened. Does it demonstrate that lawmakers were in peril and were lucky to escape the fate of that officer, or does it demonstrate that terrible but undesired things can happen during large protests, despite whatever the more benign intentions of protesters might be.

Who knows what would have happened if the rioters were instead peaceful but peaceful protest was clearly not their intention as many were armed, they set up a gallows, had retraining devices which they planned to use.

Thankfully, the one officer shot the rioter attempting to enter where the lawmakers were taking cover. Who knows what could have happened if the rioters had entered that area?

 

[Valcazar]

Not to be a smartass, but if you told those cops "you were out of the hospital within a week" wouldn't make the ordeal feel any better.

Of course not. Dutch is arguing the narrative is only "that one officer who died". Personally, I think death is the convenient shorthand for the news. The narrative should be "those dozens of officers injured, and the 15 or so sent to the hospital" in terms of making the case that this wasn't just a bit out of hand.

 

[versitile1]

Your understanding of physics needs updating.

First, the boxers. It isn't friction alone that causes the skin to tear into a cut. It's force + friction. However, friction is just a measurement of how much or how little deflection there is at the point of contact. High deflection equals low friction, and vice versa.

Cushioning achieves a certain amount of dispersion of force and/or redirection/reflection of force. That's why hockey helmets work. Thus, a lock in a sock transfers less force that a lock at the same velocity without a covering.

If a heavy object at a specific velocity hits another object and cannot deflect or disperse its energy, all of that force is transferred to the object it hits. If it can deflect or disperse, some of it's force will not be transferred to the object that is struck. A loose covering allows for some deflection and or dispersal (cushioning).

Sure bud, you’re a physics expert now. Too bad there was no cloth covering on the fire extinguisher.

You do better (not by much) at defending Trump and his gang of white supremacists. Save your BS lectures for someone that cares.

 

[mandrill]

Of course not. Dutch is arguing the narrative is only "that one officer who died". Personally, I think death is the convenient shorthand for the news. The narrative should be "those dozens of officers injured, and the 15 or so sent to the hospital" in terms of making the case that this wasn't just a bit out of hand.

Dutch is the master of the implausible comparison. A riot where hundreds of burlies in combat gear turn up and storm a building is compared to an event where a dozen observers have histrionics and are removed by security. Where a pitched battle between rioters and outnumbered cops takes place and many cops are injured (1 fatally) is a peaceful event where a couple of participants got "a little carried away". Where a president who insists over and over again that he was cheated of an election, despite being massively defeated and then having experienced 63 reverses in court and 0 wins is described as being a "little unreasonable" in his opinions and "entitled to his free speech" when he incites his cult-like thug followers to assault, beat and intimidate others.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Sure bud, you’re a physics expert now. Too bad there was no cloth covering on the fire extinguisher.

You do better (not by much) at defending Trump and his gang of white supremacists. Save your BS lectures for someone that cares.

Not an expert. This is very basic physics.

And there does appear to be a covering of some kind on the extinguisher.

If you don't care to understand these issues, you shouldn't engage in the discussion of them.

And you're really reaching if you think that trotting out non-sensical white supremacy junk has anything to do with a discussion of physics. Physics doesn't care about politics.

 

[versitile1]

Not an expert. This is very basic physics.

And there does appear to be a covering of some kind on the extinguisher.

If you don't care to understand these issues, you shouldn't engage in the discussion of them.

And you're really reaching if you think that trotting out non-sensical white supremacy junk has anything to do with a discussion of physics. Physics doesn't care about politics.

Simple physics that you know nothing about. I’m merely suggesting that you stick to things that you are (somewhat) okay at. Like jumping to the defence of white supremacists.

And maybe get your eyes checked because there is no covering on the fire extinguisher.

 

[Valcazar]

Dutch is the master of the implausible comparison. A riot where hundreds of burlies in combat gear turn up and storm a building is compared to an event where a dozen observers have histrionics and are removed by security. Where a pitched battle between rioters and outnumbered cops takes place and many cops are injured (1 fatally) is a peaceful event where a couple of participants got "a little carried away". Where a president who insists over and over again that he was cheated of an election, despite being massively defeated and then having experienced 63 reverses in court and 0 wins is described as being a "little unreasonable" in his opinions and "entitled to his free speech" when he incites his cult-like thug followers to assault, beat and intimidate others.

He's very motivated. That motivated reasoning means he will dig into deeply implausible things to try and get where he needs to be. Look at the legal thread.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Thankfully, the one officer shot the rioter attempting to enter where the lawmakers were taking cover. Who knows what could have happened if the rioters had entered that area?

Just to be clear on this point, do you think the woman who was killed, an unarmed veteren, was a threat, or rather that her entry would necessarily have led to less savory people entering and threatening lawmakers?

 

[Dutch Oven]

He's very motivated. That motivated reasoning means he will dig into deeply implausible things to try and get where he needs to be. Look at the legal thread.

I hardly have any posts in that thread where I expressed opinions of any kind. Most of the thread is people attributing arguments to me that I never made, and freaking out at the mere existence of the litigation I reported on. Oh, and a lot of insults directed my way and me responding to them. Re-read it sometime and you'll see what I mean.

 

[versitile1]

Just to be clear on this point, do you think the woman who was killed, an unarmed veteren, was a threat, or rather that her entry would necessarily have led to less savory people entering and threatening lawmakers?

A rioter trying to access an area where lawmakers were taking cover. How did the officer(s) know she was unarmed? She had a backpack on which could have had anything in it. They barricaded an entrance and had guns drawn. Anyone attempting to enter would have to know the consequences.

 

[mandrill]

Just to be clear on this point, do you think the woman who was killed, an unarmed veteren, was a threat, or rather that her entry would necessarily have led to less savory people entering and threatening lawmakers?

Yes. I very much think that. Have you seen the video and how angry and scary that crowd was?

Did you see the video of her ranting angrily while driving to DC? Did you read her crazy social media posts. She was quite dangerous, the crowd even more so. It was reasonable to kill her.

 

[Leimonis]

Yes. I very much think that. Have you seen the video and how angry and scary that crowd was?

Did you see the video of her ranting angrily while driving to DC? Did you read her crazy social media posts. She was quite dangerous, the crowd even more so. It was reasonable to kill her.

her being a vet only makes her more emboldened and dangerous and helps justifying shooting her.

 

[toguy5252]

Let me put it into context for you. If no one had been harmed and no signficant property damage had occurred, wouldn't this occupation have been viewed the same way the illegal occupation of the Capital that occurred during the Kavanaugh hearing was? Civil unrest, but not really that big a deal? It's the death of Sicknick that inflames the narrative of what happened. Therefore, it's important to understand how and why it happened. Does it demonstrate that lawmakers were in peril and were lucky to escape the fate of that officer, or does it demonstrate that terrible but undesired things can happen during large protests, despite whatever the more benign intentions of protesters might be.

Wow. You just keep confirming my earlier assessment of you which I wont repeat. Anyone who is interested can look it up,

 

[danmand]

Dutch Oven said:
Let me put it into context for you. If no one had been harmed and no signficant property damage had occurred, wouldn't this occupation have been viewed the same way the illegal occupation of the Capital that occurred during the Kavanaugh hearing was? Civil unrest, but not really that big a deal? It's the death of Sicknick that inflames the narrative of what happened. Therefore, it's important to understand how and why it happened. Does it demonstrate that lawmakers were in peril and were lucky to escape the fate of that officer, or does it demonstrate that terrible but undesired things can happen during large protests, despite whatever the more benign intentions of protesters might be.

Wow. You just keep confirming my earlier assessment of you which I wont repeat. Anyone who is interested can look it up,

When women demonstrated with pink hats against Kavanaugh, 150 was arrested tout de suite.