Some masks better than others
- Thread starter Phil C. McNasty
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Which means that they served no purpose. They were useless (in your opinion).
I said this before, but you claim that because cases are at record highs, that is proof that masks don't work. It is 100% logically consistent to apply that same thinking to distancing, hand washing etc. Cases are at record highs, therefore those other measures also do not work.
The masks most people are currently wearing are yes, useless.
And the crazy 2nd wave we're having right now in Ontario and many EU countries would back up that assertion
But we're talking about masks ITT. Try to stay on topic.
You're a pretty bad debater, shack. You didnt even know that many people in China arent wearing masks.
Might wanna do more research before you post your ignorance
It was a fair question (it stems from the results of mask usage) that, apparently, you have no answer for.
Cases are going up. No measures are making a difference. Not just masks. By your logic all measures are useless. Why are we trying anything at all?
At least that's what they say of you don't read or understand what they say.
Most transmission is by respiratory and aerosolized droplets and you have shown us quite clearly that surgical masks stop those particles.
Bullshit.
There are studies that show single layer loose weave masks are less effective than surgical masks, that loos, thin polyester neck gaiters are potentially counterproductive, and that surgical masks are almost as effective as N95.
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Well lets see. Our first lockdown started around March/April IIRC. That one coupled with distancing, washing hands.....etc flattened the curve nicely.
Ontario cases went down to about 400 in the Spring to about 100 to 150 by mid July. So that worked well.
Then Ford/Tory decided lets mandate masks to bring it down even further.
Masks became mandatory around July 14th.
At first I was all for it thinking masks would perhaps decrease new cases to double digits.
Unfortunately it had no impact (see graph). From July 14th to the start of September there was no decrease.
The chart shows it basically flatlined (see red line):
That tells me masks didnt do shit.
Only lockdowns, distancing, washing hands....etc so far has worked. The data clearly proves this.
Will our 2nd lockdown work??
So far it hasnt, but its going to need more time.
We shall see
Couple things that you haven't included...Well lets see. Our first lockdown started around March/April IIRC. That one coupled with distancing, washing hands.....etc flattened the curve nicely.
Ontario cases went down to about 400 in the Spring to about 100 to 150 by mid July. So that worked well.
Then Ford/Tory decided lets mandate masks to bring it down even further.
Masks became mandatory around July 14th.
At first I was all for it thinking masks would perhaps decrease new cases to double digits.
Unfortunately it had no impact (see graph). From July 14th to the start of September there was no decrease.
The chart shows it basically flatlined (see red line):
That tells me masks didnt do shit.
Only lockdowns, distancing, washing hands....etc so far has worked. The data clearly proves this.
Will our 2nd lockdown work??
So far it hasnt, but its going to need more time.
We shall see
-March/April numbers appear lower because we weren't testing as much as we did after that
-when masks became mandated, physical distancing and crowds become more of a challenge because of selfish attitudes
-we went from a hard lockdown in March to a re-opening strategy shortly after where physical distancing was harder to achieve
-Masks were not not suppose to stop the spread but slow it...other factors have contributed in the rising numbers
-the experts always said we'd have another wave at this time of the year, they were right
-if nobody was wearing masks the experts think we'd have higher numbers
True, but if you factor in that we're testing more the stats show we still have way higher numbers than our 1st wave
But if masks work so well that shouldnt have mattered, or would have still kept numbers reasonably under control
Not true in all the stores I've been to.
Possibly true for subways, streetcars, buses....etc
Such as??
No argument from me
This is unprovable on your part
3,128 new cases today: https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-r...-hospitalizations-hit-all-time-high-1.5253947
Despite what facts say.
BTW, in case you missed it, N95 masks are listed so as they have at least a 95% efficient at stopping particles as small as 0.1 microns. Just like any other mask, they REDUCE transmission, not stop transmission.
Meanwhile a study of FDA approved surgical masks found that they were 98% efficient at 0.1 microns.
Filtration Performance of FDA-Cleared Surgical Masks - PMC
Ashortage of NIOSH-approved respirators is predicted during an influenza pandemic and other infectious disease outbreaks. Healthcare workers may use surgical masks instead of respirators due to non-availability and for economical reasons. This study ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I know that science won't change your opinion but facts are facts.
Great, a tweet from March before the science was in. Bet you still think bleeding is a good way to fix your humours
LOL....just when I thought your posts couldnt get any dumber, you prove me wrongDespite what facts say.
BTW, in case you missed it, N95 masks are listed so as they have at least a 95% efficient at stopping particles as small as 0.1 microns. Just like any other mask, they REDUCE transmission, not stop transmission.
Meanwhile a study of FDA approved surgical masks found that they were 98% efficient at 0.1 microns.
Filtration Performance of FDA-Cleared Surgical Masks - PMC
Ashortage of NIOSH-approved respirators is predicted during an influenza pandemic and other infectious disease outbreaks. Healthcare workers may use surgical masks instead of respirators due to non-availability and for economical reasons. This study ...
I know that science won't change your opinion but facts are facts.
According to the study you posted (which I'll bet you didnt even read), the masks they used were FDA-cleared surgical masks. I post the exact quote from the study:
Now lets look at the FDA website and see what they have to say about FDA-cleared surgical masks (NOTE: these are not the same as N95 masks).
Link: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks#s2
I have bolded in red the important relevant parts to help you understand better
Now what did I tell you?? Surgical masks do not stop infected air that people breathe out from spreading to other people.
The only thing it stops is large droplets, but that doesnt really matter because most people (especially in the summer) arent coughing or sneezing, but rather they are breathing out their infected air to others.
Maybe now you'll understand why wearing masks made ZERO difference in our daily new infection rate, and actually may have made things worse because it gave people a false sense of security and caused people to cram buses, streetcars, subways....etc thinking they would be safe from the virus since everyone was wearing masks
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Did you read the part where it says "When used alone, masks can give you a false feeling of protection and can even be a source of infection when not used correctly".
That science still applies to today
So it's not just N95 masks that work, now surgical masks approved by the FDA work too? Look at those creeping goalposts.LOL....just when I thought your posts couldnt get any dumber, you prove me wrong
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And do we need to go back to those numbers we looked at of pore size, aerosol size, and respiratory droplet size? It's obvious that your refusal to admit masks reduce transmission is based not in facts but in the psychological need to prove yourself right.
