Hot Pink List

Some masks better than others

Previous Thread Next Thread
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
shack said:
I couldn't find a similar study regarding Ontario. As to Germany:

Timo Mitze, Reinhold Kosfeld, Johannes Rode, Klaus Wälde 22 June 2020

Confronted with a novel, aggressive coronavirus, Germany implemented measures to reduce its spread since March 2020. Requiring people to wear face masks in public places has, however, been a subject of controversy and isolating the effect of mask-wearing on the spread of COVID-19 is not simple. This column looks at the town of Jena and other German regions that introduced face masks before the rest of the country to see whether the requirement makes a difference in the number of new COVID-19 cases. Requiring face masks to be worn decreases the growth rate of COVID-19 cases by about 40% in Germany.
Click to expand...
Lmao!!! 40% reduction, eh??!!
According to Al-Jazeera Germany made masks mandatory throughout the country in April: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/8/17/which-countries-have-made-wearing-face-masks-compulsory

This was the result 😂

 
Last edited:
B

basketcase

Well-known member
Dec 29, 2005
62,484
6,986
113
Phil C. McNasty said:
Well at least now you're admitting Covid can occur in free floating particles (READ: your normal breath). T...
Click to expand...
Did anyone ever say that there weren't?

The inconvenient fact you insist on ignoring is that the vast majority of particles are either droplets or aerosolized larger than the 0.3u you were going on about showing masks are effective. Even if you made the ridiculous assertion that 50% of the virus were free virions then that still means masks reduce the viral load by 50%.
 
S

shack

Nitpicker Extraordinaire
Oct 2, 2001
53,882
11,790
113
Toronto
Phil C. McNasty said:
No, because Ontario's 1st wave curve (from about April to June) was flattened by locking down, distancing, isolation, washing hands....etc. Then masks were added into the mix and it made no difference. Not only in Ontario did it not make any difference, but it didnt in Spain, France, Italy, Germany....etc either.
Click to expand...
And that coincides to the time that other restrictions were eased, such as bars and restaurants opening up, covid fatigue, people gathering in larger groups, people demonstrating, ignoring covid protocol etc. A slight increase in the number of mask wearers (lots of people were already wearing masks) is only one of a number of factors that came into play after June. In fact the cases didn't start going up 'til late August or early Sept., months after mask use increased.

I do agree with you that the blue surgical masks are much more effective than the reusable cloth ones that many people use, but even they will stop a lot of the droplets in the humid breaths that we exhale.
 
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
shack said:
And that coincides to the time that other restrictions were eased, such as bars and restaurants opening up, covid fatigue, people gathering in larger groups, people demonstrating, ignoring covid protocol etc. A slight increase in the number of mask wearers (lots of people were already wearing masks) is only one of a number of factors that came into play after June. In fact the cases didn't start going up 'til late August or early Sept., months after mask use increased.

I do agree with you that the blue surgical masks are much more effective than the reusable cloth ones that many people use, but even they will stop a lot of the droplets in the humid breaths that we exhale
Click to expand...
But thats obvious shack. Of course almost any mask will stop large droplets from coughs or sneezes.
But according to the links I posted its not those large droplets that infect people because they are heavy and will drop to the ground very quickly.
Its the microscopic particles that are the most dangerous because they tend to linger in the air for many hours.
That perfectly coincides with the fact we are still seeing our new infection rate go up every day.

Conclusion: N95 masks are needed
 
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
basketcase said:
Did anyone ever say that there weren't?

The inconvenient fact you insist on ignoring is that the vast majority of particles are either droplets or aerosolized larger than the 0.3u you were going on about showing masks are effective. Even if you made the ridiculous assertion that 50% of the virus were free virions then that still means masks reduce the viral load by 50%.
Click to expand...
Wrong!

Read the links I posted which state large droplets are heavy and will fall to the ground quickly.
Its the microscopic particles that linger in the air for many hours that are more dangerous
 
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
shack said:
Most masks make a difference, and to a varying degree.

Better than when you were giving blanket statements of "masks are useless".
Click to expand...
I never said masks were useless, I said most masks people are currently wearing are useless.

Again, N95 masks are needed to make a dent in daily new infections
 
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
shack said:
Not gonna search but you definitely said that masks don't work/are useless. Maybe not in this thread
Click to expand...
I'll do the search for you. 1st page of this thread:


Phil C. McNasty said:
Watch this video and then you'll understand why most masks don't work. Covid is airborne, and most masks only stop droplets.
The only protection that would work would be N95 masks and safety glasses (since viruses can enter through the eyes)
Click to expand...
 
B

basketcase

Well-known member
Dec 29, 2005
62,484
6,986
113
Phil C. McNasty said:
Wrong!

Read the links I posted which state large droplets are heavy and will fall to the ground quickly.
Its the microscopic particles that linger in the air for many hours that are more dangerous
Click to expand...
Amazing that you can read an article about the effectiveness of masks and conclude that they are a waste.
 
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
shack said:
Which means that you think that they are useless. They have done nothing
Click to expand...
You are grasping at straws now, shack.
I have repeatedly said masks in general (that most people are wearing) havent made any difference in reducing the spread.

And the current Ontario Covid numbers would back up that assertion
 
Last edited:
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
basketcase said:
So the numerous tests showing that surgical masks are within a few percentage points of effectiveness were all lies?
Click to expand...
I'm not sure which tests you are referring to, but the studies I have posted ITT say they dont make much difference.

N95 masks are needed.

You know, the ones they mostly use in hospitals

 
F

Fun For All

Well-known member
Feb 9, 2014
12,099
6,184
113
Phil C. McNasty said:
You are grasping at straws now, shack.
I have repeatedly said masks in general (that most people are wearing) havent made any difference in reducing the spread.

And the current Ontario Covid numbers would back up that assertion
Click to expand...
We know what you have said...but the really smart people who study this for a living say they are effective and the cases would even be higher if we weren't wearing them.

The really smart people who study this for a living say that physical distancing is most effective at reducing the spread.
 
P

Phil C. McNasty

Go Jays Go
Dec 27, 2010
29,271
7,084
113
Fun For All said:
We know what you have said...but the really smart people who study this for a living say they are effective and the cases would even be higher if we weren't wearing them.

The really smart people who study this for a living say that physical distancing is most effective at reducing the spread.
Click to expand...
I never said I was against physical distancing and we're not discussing physical distancing ITT.

AFA masks go, there are plenty of studies by really smart people that say they dont work.
And our current ± 3,000 daily new infection rate would back up that assertion.

Conclusion: N95 masks are needed
 
F

Fun For All

Well-known member
Feb 9, 2014
12,099
6,184
113
Phil C. McNasty said:
I never said I was against physical distancing and we're not discussing physical distancing ITT.

AFA masks go, there are plenty of studies by really smart people that say they dont work.
And our current ± 3,000 daily new infection rate would back up that assertion.

Conclusion: N95 masks are needed
Click to expand...
They'd be higher without masks...3,000 daily infections could be 5,000.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Ashley Madison
Previous Thread Next Thread
Toronto Escorts
Top Bottom