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Zeinab Soleimani on Her Father’s Assassination

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I didn't think you could list any actions that would directly be defined as terrorism, or intentionally targeting civilians.
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It's pathetic that you go out of your way to defend a terrorist group known for their violence and funding of violence around the world simply because you are obsessed with Israel. Even Iran's leaders know Israel/Jew hatred is just scapegoating to distract their people but you seem to buy right into it.

If you really believe they aren't terrorists, you should try wiring them some money and see what happens.
 

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It's pathetic that you go out of your way to defend a terrorist group known for their violence and funding of violence around the world simply because you are obsessed with Israel. Even Iran's leaders know Israel/Jew hatred is just scapegoating to distract their people but you seem to buy right into it.

If you really believe they aren't terrorists, you should try wiring them some money and see what happens.
I'm not defending terrorism, only noting that you use the label even when you can't find evidence of terrorism, as you couldn't with Iran.

If they are terrorists it should be easy to show evidence.
Like this, reports from Amnesty, B'teselem, UN, MSF and others of using snipers from to target civilian protesters who were behind a wall and no danger to soldiers.

That's terrorism, and now that you think states can commit terrorism, you'll need to brush up on your rationale as to why you are the one defending terrorism.

Targeting civilians is terrorism, using snipers to try to terrorize a population and stop protests for basic human rights is terrorism.

 

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Yet here you are trying to pretend that Solemeini wasn't the leader of a terrorist group and instead simply want to continue your crusade against Israel's existence.
No he is not. Because you repeat something over and over again does not make true.

I find it amazing, after what USA have done in Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, not to mention the recent pardons for proven war criminals, that you rely on USA to decide which organizations are terrorist organizations.
 
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Yet here you are trying to pretend that Solemeini wasn't the leader of a terrorist group and instead simply want to continue your crusade against Israel's existence.
You use the word 'terrorism' to dehumanize people of races you don't like.
Your use is entirely political, as shown here by your desire to call Iran 'terrorists' without being able to list a single act they committed that should give them this title.
Just as you defend Israel's clear use of terrorism on civilian protesters in Gaza, over the course of a full year of snipers shooting women and children.

I say take your evidence to the ICC and let them rule, they should rule on Iran, Israel and Hamas.
Let them all respect human rights or face the charges.

At least Iran is trying to use international law for revenge instead of assassinations like Trump and Israel.

Meanwhile, in the daily news are multiple examples of terrorism in Israel.


 
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basketcase

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You use the word 'terrorism' to dehumanize people of races you don't like.
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Except only one of us has used the word terrorism to describe any group that intentionally targets civilians for a political purpose. There are Palestinian terror groups, Jewish terror groups, Arab terror groups, Christian terror groups, Buddhist terror groups, ....

You on the other hand define terrorism exclusively by whether you agree with them or not. Amazing that you have repeatedly called Israel a terrorist state while claiming groups like Hamas with a long history of targeting civilians aren't.

Simple fact is I call Solemeini's IRGC Qods Force terrorists because that is how Canada has defined them. Same goes for Hamas. Sad that you've been spending this whole thread pretending Solemeini was one of the good guys simply because you think it would undermine your obsessive crusade against Israel.
 

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No he is not. Because you repeat something over and over again does not make true.

I find it amazing, after what USA have done in Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, not to mention the recent pardons for proven war criminals, that you rely on USA to decide which organizations are terrorist organizations.
He IS nothing right now. He quite openly WAS and even Iranian news sources say so. Do you think they are part of this American agenda?

On January 3, 2020, U.S. President Donald Trump ordered drone strikes that martyred Lt. General Soleimani, chief of the IRGC Quds Force, and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the deputy commander of Iraq’s Popular Mobilization Units (PMU), as well as their companions.

US President Donald Trump ordered the assassination of General Soleimani, commander of the Quds Force of Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps, and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the second-in-command of Iraq’s Popular Mobilization Units (PMU), and a group of their companions in Baghdad on January 3, 2020.
 

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Except only one of us has used the word terrorism to describe any group that intentionally targets civilians for a political purpose.
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Simple fact is I call Solemeini's IRGC Qods Force terrorists because that is how Canada has defined them. Same goes for Hamas.
Thank you for confirming that Canada's designation is totally political and not based on any acts of terrorism.
While now that you have confirmed that states, armies and leaders can be designated as terrorists based on their actions.

Which means that Israel has the only case for being designated as terrorists based on their acts.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Very helpful.

This is terrorism, the deliberate targeting of civilians for political effect.
 

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No he is not. Because you repeat something over and over again does not make true.

I find it amazing, after what USA have done in Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, not to mention the recent pardons for proven war criminals, that you rely on USA to decide which organizations are terrorist organizations.
He was a murderous agent working for a rabid medieval regime, so good riddance.
Save your crocodile tears for the countless Iranian and Iraqi protesters and activists tortured or executed by the murderous Khomeinists.
 

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He was a murderous agent working for a rabid medieval regime, so good riddance.
Save your crocodile tears for the countless Iranian and Iraqi protesters and activists tortured or executed by the murderous Khomeinists.
2 wrongs does not make another wrong right.

PS: It would appear that most Iraqi's see USA and ISIS as the most murderous regimes. Iraq is asking for the extradition of Trump
 

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I think the Iranian mullahs have murdered at least two Canadians. There was that female journalist from Montreal who was kidnapped, tortured, raped(?) and murdered. Then there was that civilian passenger plane shot down by Iran killing dozens of Canadians.

Not Canadian but still.
Zahra Kazemi. More recently, Dr. Kavous Seyed-Emami, an environmentalist professor, died in Evin prison (suicide according to the butchers
that OP and his ilk are in love with, out of spite for the USA and Israel).
They visit their families or get lured back then disappear into that regime's torture dungeons.
 

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I think the Iranian mullahs have murdered at least two Canadians. There was that female journalist from Montreal who was kidnapped, tortured, raped(?) and murdered. Then there was that civilian passenger plane shot down by Iran killing dozens of Canadians.

Not Canadian but still.
The plane shot down was after the US assassinated Solemeini and there were false alarms about the US attacking Iran.
It was a tragedy, but if blame is to be assigned it should go half to the US and half to the Iranians who idiotically mistook a passenger jet for a US missile.
 

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Thank you for confirming that Canada's designation is totally political and not based on any acts of terrorism.
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Thanks for admitting you are just a terror apologist who is happy do endorse any bad actor as long as you can use it to further your pathetic obsession with Israel.
 

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The plane shot down was after the US assassinated Solemeini and there were false alarms about the US attacking Iran.
It was a tragedy, but if blame is to be assigned it should go half to the US and half to the Iranians who idiotically mistook a passenger jet for a US missile.
So you are blaming the US because Iran killed a bunch of Canadians? Wow.
 

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Thanks for admitting you are just a terror apologist who is happy do endorse any bad actor as long as you can use it to further your pathetic obsession with Israel.
That's what you say after I say hold all sides to the law?
Look, the US and Israel both assassinated Iranian leaders this year and Iran's response was to call on Interpol to arrest those responsible.
For that you call them terrorists and call me a terrorist supporter.
When I ask you what crimes Iran has committed you admit you can't name any and say its political.
Then I show you cases of terrorism committed by Israel, including reports from human rights organizations, crimes which are now being investigated by the ICC.
Crimes which you have defended here for years.
The only one justifying terrorism on this thread is you.

So you are blaming the US because Iran killed a bunch of Canadians? Wow.
The instigators need to be blamed, but I also blamed Iranians as well.
You're exactly the same way with Palestinians, you have no problem when Israel shells hospitals, schools and apartments but then try to lay the blame on Palestinians when they try to retaliate with home made rockets.

Take Israel, Iran and Hamas to the ICC.
Let them sort it out and force them all to abide by the law.

Canada says Israel should end the occupation, why are you against that?
 

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That's what you say after I say hold all sides to the law?
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Canadian intelligence, the people with access to the information, have held all sides to justice and determined that the IRGC Qods Force, led by Solemeini until his death, is a terrorist entity. Why are you incapable of admitting that fact?

And yes, I gave you a socurce on the IRGC Qods Force which you promptly ignored because you are afraid to read. Here's more.





Of course you won't but you'll continue with your crusade of demonizing Israel and ignoring what Palestinians want.
 

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Canadian intelligence, the people with access to the information, have held all sides to justice and determined that the IRGC Qods Force, led by Solemeini until his death, is a terrorist entity. Why are you incapable of admitting that fact?
No, it wasn't CSIS that called for labelling Iran as terrorists, as you already said, it was political and not because of anything they did.
Likewise, your long list of links doesn't list any acts of terrorism while there are daily examples of terrorism committed by Israel.


  • Palestinian man killed near “Gush Etzion” Junction, southern Bethlehem, in an alleged stab attack
  • IOF excessive use of force in the West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem: 30 Palestinians wounded, including 4 children and a paramedic
  • 9 IOF shootings reported at Palestinians and agricultural lands, and 3 times at fishing boats eastern and western Gaza Strip
  • In 79 IOF incursions into the West Bank, including occupied East Jerusalem: 58 civilians arrested, including 11 children
  • Wide-scale land razing in the West Bank and 4050 trees uprooted; Bethlehem lands’ confiscation decision ratified
  • Occupied East Jerusalem: one house received evacuation order; 6 walls, a water well and a barracks demolished
  • Settler-attacks in the West Bank: 300 trees uprooted; civilians and their properties assaulted
  • IOF established 56 temporary military checkpoints in the West Bank and arrested 2 Palestinian civilians on said checkpoints

 
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