Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

  • Yes, as soon as possible

    Votes: 220 57.7%
  • Yes, but I do not want to be among the first to take it.

    Votes: 68 17.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 17 4.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 21 5.5%
  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 50 13.1%
  • I do not care if I do or don't

    Votes: 5 1.3%

  • Total voters
    381
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Dcoat

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Increased danger of vaccinating following lockdowns and widespread mask use

With the information that is now available to the government regarding the death rate associated with COVID-19, Deisher suggests that “public health officials [should] take an honest, objective look at data and change our policy.” She asserts that “we know a lot about this disease now and the hype and the passion over it is wildly out of proportion.” And yet the government continue to impose harsh restrictions that impact on “children, mental health, suicide, domestic abuse,” Deisher observed. She decried the government’s response to the data, saying: “now we know there's no justification for what we are doing and instead [the government] just do more: ‘oh that didn't work let's do more’. I mean, yeah, that's not rational.”

“All the control is no longer about COVID-19 anymore,” Coffin suggested. “Now it's about [the] oligarchic ability to inflame the masses with irrational fear. You know, a populace that's full of fear is very easy to manage.”


In response Deisher explained that “[if] you are in fear your cortisol levels go up and cortisol kills your immune cells, so fear is bad for a healthy immune system.”

“If you isolate, if you lock down and you're not exposed to bacteria or pathogens or viruses, your immune system takes a break, and if you wear a mask you also can hinder [the] functioning of your immune system,” she continued.

Exasperated at the effect mask wearing has on healthy people, Deisher observed that “we have people wearing masks, I mean I see them out by themselves, no one in sight, walking their dogs: they're terrified, they're wearing masks and they're locked down.” Rather grimly, she added that “when they come out, they're not going to have immune systems.”

When asked about the effectiveness of masks against catching the virus, Deishner said “no, masks do not work. 87% of new [COVID-19] cases in the U.S. almost always wear a mask, so it looks like the masks increase your risk of getting infected about 12-fold.”

On account of government mandates having suppressed people’s immune systems, Deisher stated: “[t]o think about mass vaccination of populations whose immune systems are not working well because of how this has been handled: I don't know what will happen, I think that's frightening.” She continued, saying “50% of our population is immunocompromised so I think it's going to be frightening to see what happens as they go vaccinate.”

In contradiction to locking down and masking up, experts have shown that getting fresh air and exercise contributes to building a strong immune system. Moreover, numerous studies show that, by supplementing your vitamin D intake and maintaining a balanced diet, one can reduce the severity of any symptoms, should they contract COVID.

Deisher said that she would not take either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, referencing that an mRNA vaccine has never been authorized before and that “the potential dangers and side effects from those vaccines are quite high and quite plausible.”

COVID-19 ‘warp speed’ vaccines likely not safe and not needed, medical expert says | News | Lifesitenews
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
 

shack

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Health Canada is now strongly urging anyone with severe allergies to not get the Pfizer vaccine. Yet they tell us it’s perfectly safe.
Assuming that you are not driving or drinking to excess, do you consider beer safe? I know of people that are allergic to beer. I don't see any difference.
 
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shack

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I told you dumbass Lefties to wait a bit.

Wait it out a bit, lets see what the side-effects are for the next year or two
An allergy is not a side effect. The reaction is not due to something inherent in the vaccine, like maybe a fever or sore arm would be. It is due to an antibody response of the body.

I've heard of people that are allergic to sunlight. That is not a side effect, like a sunburn would be.
 

squeezer

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I told you dumbass Lefties to wait a bit.

Wait it out a bit, lets see what the side-effects are for the next year or two
Man, wtf is wrong with you people? You cry about lockdowns ruining the economy and the poor small business folks. You cry about having to wear mask! Then when a solution is presented you want to WAIT, HOLD OFF FOR A YEAR OR 2 and you call lefties dumbasses? Bud, look in the mirror!
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Man, wtf is wrong with you people? You cry about lockdowns ruining the economy and the poor small business folks. You cry about having to wear mask! Then when a solution is presented you want to WAIT, HOLD OFF FOR A YEAR OR 2 and you call lefties dumbasses? Bud, look in the mirror!
You mad???
 

squeezer

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More nonsense and bullshit!


 

canada-man

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sinking deeper and deeper into the coronavirus rabbit hole.


Merck plant where COVID-19 vaccines will be manufactured a “biohazard nightmare,” production floor smeared with feces



December 10, 2020 (Children’s Health Defense) — A former employee of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) whose job it was to inspect vaccine manufacturing plants told Vanity Fair last week that when the FDA ignored his allegations of gross safety violations at a Merck vaccine plant, he blew the whistle — only to be ignored.

Coming amid growing concerns over the safety of COVID vaccines, which are being rushed to market at unprecedented speed, the newly revealed allegations raise questions about how the FDA will oversee safety at COVID vaccine manufacturing operations.

According to Vanity Fair, “the unprecedented effort to actually make the more than 300 million doses that a successful national vaccination effort will require has gotten less attention” than issues related to the safety and efficacy of the actual vaccines themselves.


“Vital questions about the FDA’s inspections of vaccine plants have slipped under the radar,” the magazine reported.

Vanity Fair, the first to report on the whistleblower complaint, focused on concerns related exclusively to the manufacturing process. The article dismissed concerns about the actual safety of the vaccine.


In an interview after her article was published, reporter Katherine Eba told PBS NewsHour the “last thing she wanted to do” was contribute to “vaccine hesitancy.”

“You know, the issues we raised in this story have nothing to do with the anti-vaxxer position. They have to do with whether the FDA is doing the job it is supposed to do, which is ensuring that all these manufacturing plants follow good manufacturing practices.”

But many people, including doctors and scientists, have raised a multitude of concerns about the safety of the leading COVID vaccine candidates. In fact, polls consistently show that more people than not, including healthcare workers, won’t sign up, at least not right away, for the vaccines.

Compounding concerns about the safety of the vaccines themselves, are concerns about the FDA’s process for emergency authorization — will the agency prioritize public safety over pharmaceutical industry profits?

According to Arie Menachem, the whistleblower who told his story to Vanity Fair, that’s not been his experience with the FDA, at least not when it comes to the safety of vaccine manufacturing.

Menachem — who according to Vanity Fair holds a master’s degree in biochemistry and worked for 13 years in quality assurance and compliance at several pharmaceutical companies before joining the FDA in 2014 — was a member of the FDA’s Team Biologics.



The “elite” team’s 14 members were responsible for inspecting 280 manufacturing plants that make vaccines and blood products for U.S. patients.

In November 2018, Menachem filed a whistleblower complaint with the U.S. Office of Special Counsel after his initial report detailing a host of disturbing safety violations at a Merck vaccine plant was downgraded by FDA officials.

Menachem’s report — based in part on information provided to him by whistleblowers within the company — included this, according to Vanity Fair:

“The allegations described a biohazard nightmare. Workers appeared to be defecating and urinating in their uniforms, and feces had been found smeared on the floor of the plant’s production area, the letter alleged. In a sterile manufacturing plant, bathroom breaks can be difficult to take because they require additional time, which could serve as one possible explanation for the events inside the Merck plant. Ungowning can take 15 minutes, regowning can take 15 minutes, and on a night shift, there may be no one else to cover an essential worker during that time, Menachem said.”
Vanity Fair said the magazine confirmed Menachem’s account, as well as his description of conflict inside Team Biologics, “through interviews with four current or former FDA employees, including Menachem, a detailed review of documents, and an analysis of Team Biologics inspection data.”

Merck isn’t the only drugmaker whose manufacturing operations have been called into question. As Children’s Health Defense previously reported, Eli Lilly, which has been working on a COVID therapeutic drug, recently had a run-in with the FDA over problems with one of its manufacturing plants. Reuters reported that the FDA had cited “serious quality control problems” at an Eli Lilly plant working on an antibody therapy.

A former associate counsel at the FDA told Reuters the violations were “serious enough and have a significant enough impact on the public health that something needs to be fixed.”

When it comes to COVID vaccines, Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, vice dean for public health practice and community engagement at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Vanity Fair, “There is not a lot of room for error on a COVID vaccine.”

But as Vanity Fair and Bloomberg pointed out, if the FDA, as it’s expected to, grants emergency use authorization for a COVID-19 vaccine, “it is not even clear whether the FDA will require full inspections of manufacturing plants” because transparency has been “notably absent in Operation Warp Speed,” the public-private partnership launched by the Trump administration to rapidly develop and distribute a COVID-19 vaccine.

Whistleblower: FDA failed to address ‘biohazard nightmare’ at Merck vaccine plant | Opinion | Lifesitenews
 

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RFK, Jr. Warned FDA Three Months Ago About Ingredient in Pfizer COVID Vaccine That Likely Caused Life-Threatening Reaction in Two UK Healthcare Workers
An investigation this week identified polyethylene glycol (PEG) as the likely reason two people in the UK suffered anaphylaxis after receiving Pfizer’s COVID vaccine. In September, CHD Chairman RFK, Jr. warned the FDA that PEG in COVID vaccines could lead to severe allergic reactions.


RFK, Jr. Warned FDA Three Months Ago About Ingredient in Pfizer COVID Vaccine That Likely Caused Life-Threatening Reaction in Two UK Healthcare Workers • Children's Health Defense
 

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I'm sure I'll take the vaccine, but to call this a needle jab is disingenuous. There are serious potential risks and there are other solutions, other types of vaccine with far fewer risks, or do nothing and wait it out.
Risks? Other types of vaccine? You didn't name even one. But we do actually know there are risks if anyone gets infected with C-19 & they're not rare.

Keep hiding in the dark under your bed if you're afraid of a lightning strike & the like.
 
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basketcase

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I told you dumbass Lefties to wait a bit.

Wait it out a bit, lets see what the side-effects are for the next year or two
Speaking of dumbass, it is amazing that the alt-right is now upset with the corporate nature of pharma companies.

Sad that these guys now think science is really just political opinion.


And no shit you shouldn't take a vaccine if you are allergic to any of the components. It's like telling someone with peanut allergies that they should be careful around Thai food.
 
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I'm sure I'll take the vaccine, but to call this a needle jab is disingenuous. There are serious potential risks and there are other solutions, other types of vaccine with far fewer risks, or do nothing and wait it out.
Looking at the flu as an example, I could not find a single report of a death caused by the vaccination in Canada in the past few years compared to 6000+ deaths. I expect the covid vaccine will have similar numbers.
 
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Dcoat

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Risks? Other types of vaccine? You didn't name even one. But we do actually know there are risks if anyone gets infected with C-19 & they're not rare.

Keep hiding in the dark under your bed if you're afraid of a lightning strike & the like.
There are several rival types of vaccine. I don't know enough to give you the science, but I do know enough that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is significantly lower for many of the potential diseases, and DNA issues that comes with Pfizer or Moderna.

If you're interested you'll look it up and not rely on me.
 

shack

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And yes, it's funny to see a bunch of people who would never take a vaccine are pretending they are experts on the subject.
And the other thing that's funny is that even though cult leader trump has been pushing the vaccine for months and is still trying to speed it up, they still seem to be against it.

They are saying that trump is wrong? :oops:o_O OMG.
 
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