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mandrill

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DNC intervenes in GA lawsuit to move for dismissal on the grounds of "garbage".

 

Frankfooter

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Frank, you're just wrong, but since I doubt that you are sincerely trying to understand, you're on your own.
Sigh.

Trump Lawyer to Pennsylvania Judge: Nope, I’ve Got No Evidence of Voter Fraud

That's why none of Trump's cases have succeeded, unlike say.....
 

Dutch Oven

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Keep that evidence and those affidavits coming. Hahahaha. Are you tired of winning yet? Hahahahaha.

BTW, every key stroke you make is a waste. Hahahahaha.
Since you're not a judge, or a state legislator, nor a reasonable person interested in election integrity issues, these affidavits are clearly not for your consumption. Feel free to ignore them. You'll have more fun just typing Hahahaha, over and over again. You should just create a cut and paste to save your carpal tunnel the wear and tear.
 

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shack

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Since you're not a judge, or a state legislator, nor a reasonable person interested in election integrity issues, these affidavits are clearly not for your consumption. Feel free to ignore them. You'll have more fun just typing Hahahaha, over and over again. You should just create a cut and paste to save your carpal tunnel the wear and tear.
Sorry, but I can't stop laughing. If you tell me that you are sensitive and find them hurtful I will stop.

I'm assuming that the judges and state legislators do understand the issues and affidavits and they keep bitch-slapping him. Hahahaha.

BTW, why are you ignoring the final decisions? Maybe they are not for your consumption?
 

Frankfooter

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Since you're not a judge, or a state legislator, nor a reasonable person interested in election integrity issues, these affidavits are clearly not for your consumption. Feel free to ignore them. You'll have more fun just typing Hahahaha, over and over again. You should just create a cut and paste to save your carpal tunnel the wear and tear.
Like this?
 

Dutch Oven

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Sorry, but I can't stop laughing. If you tell me that you are sensitive and find them hurtful I will stop.

I'm assuming that the judges and state legislators do understand the issues and affidavits and they keep bitch-slapping him. Hahahaha.

BTW, why are you ignoring the final decisions? Maybe they are not for your consumption?
I'll humour you a little.

1. Please type Hahahaha as often as you like. It doesn't bother me, and I'd hate to undermine whatever satisfaction it might give you.

2(a). You'd always be wrong to assume anything of any importance. A number of judges have dismissed motions for emergency relief. There are many cases, and I haven't reviewed them all in detail, but I didn't notice any decisions which dismissed the underlying action. If there have been, those suits must have been about very minor issues raised by other parties (not the Trump campaign). Different information was attached to each motion, depending upon the issues raised (some were pure legal arguments, some rely on facts, some allege fraud, some do not), the parties bringing the motion, and state of investigation into the underlying facts at that particular date. There are a few decisions which are explicitly critical of the factual support offered for the specific remedies that were requested. They all have to be evaluated on an individual basis, and should not be confused with any determination of the final merits of the suits filed, or as closing the door to putting more evidence before the court (as long as that evidence could not have been available at the time of the initial motion ruling) in a fresh motion.

2(b) State legislators are just beginning the process of hearing the arguments of the campaign in favour of de-certification, and I have yet to see the issue be resolved in any of the applicable state legislatures. It doesn't have to be dealt with until the date that the states have to appoint their electors. Arizona is just hearing the arguments from the Trump team today. If you watched any of these hearings, you would have seen that the Repulican legislators from the relevant states seemed to find the Trump team's arguments to be quite persuasive (that certainly appeared to be the case in Pennsylvania, and appears to be heading that way in Arizona. I believe Michigan is later this week). That could matter in states where the GOP have legislative control.

3. Not only are the decisions you are prone to reference not "final decisions" (because they are rulings on motions for emergency relief, not on the actions themselves), they are subject to appeal (and a number have been appealed), and some may be appealed as far as SCOTUS. I'm not hiding that the courts are making rulings as we go. In fact, my first post in the thread provided you with a link where you can follow along and read decisions as they are released.
 
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Perry Mason

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Dutchie, Dutchie, Dutchie...

Now you are losing your grip... even your so-called logic is abandoning you.

According to you, Giuliani, Trump and you are right. The rest of the world (including judges who have heard the claims and legislators) is stubborn, illogical, crazy and just plain wrong.

OK, I know that narrative very well. It is the same I have heard over the years from inmates I have visited at a few insane asylums (er... Mental Health facilities)...

BTW, I entertained you with my observations but you have not bothered to respond to my request that you entertain me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... not nice... not nice manners!

Perry
 

Dutch Oven

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Dutchie, Dutchie, Dutchie...

Now you are losing your grip... even your so-called logic is abandoning you.

According to you, Giuliani, Trump and you are right. The rest of the world (including judges who have heard the claims and legislators) is stubborn, illogical, crazy and just plain wrong.

OK, I know that narrative very well. It is the same I have heard over the years from inmates I have visited at a few insane asylums (er... Mental Health facilities)...

BTW, I entertained you with my observations but you have not bothered to respond to my request that you entertain me. Tsk, tsk, tsk... not nice... not nice manners!

Perry
Rather than dancing, let me ask you one serious question. Today at the Arizona hearing, a person with the appropriate credentials, put forward as expert witness, presented an analysis of the security vulnerabilities of the Dominion voting equipment, software, and associated protocols used in that state. A similar analysis is set out in affadivits which support various emergency motions before the courts in Arizona and other states, most of which have not yet been determined. The thrust of this testimony is that the systems employed were vulnerable to tampering, that statistical analysis of ballot and vote reporting information supports a reasonable inference that tampering actually occured, and that other circumstantial evidence supports the same inference (evidence of internet connection and data transfer, contrary to state policy). I am not an expert in IT, and I assume you aren't either. Do you know of any reason why this evidence as to the unreliability of the vote tallies produced by these systems is not supportive of at least the emergency relief of an independent audit and cessation of the certification and elector appointment process, and/or why this evidence, if uncontradicted, would not support a legislative decision to de-certify the vote and/or halt the appointment of electors?
 

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Rather than dancing, let me ask you one serious question. Today at the Arizona hearing, a person with the appropriate credentials, put forward as expert witness, presented an analysis of the security vulnerabilities of the Dominion voting equipment, software, and associated protocols used in that state. A similar analysis is set out in affadivits which support various emergency motions before the courts in Arizona and other states, most of which have not yet been determined. The thrust of this testimony is that the systems employed were vulnerable to tampering, that statistical analysis of ballot and vote reporting information supports a reasonable inference that tampering actually occured, and that other circumstantial evidence supports the same inference (evidence of internet connection and data transfer, contrary to state policy). I am not an expert in IT, and I assume you aren't either. Do you know of any reason why this evidence as to the unreliability of the vote tallies produced by these systems is not supportive of at least the emergency relief of an independent audit and cessation of the certification and elector appointment process, and/or why this evidence, if uncontradicted, would not support a legislative decision to de-certify the vote and/or halt the appointment of electors?
Vague allegations with no evidence.
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Do you know of any reason why this evidence as to the unreliability of the vote tallies produced by these systems is
Before you ask this, we should ask if there is evidence that can be corroborated that there was unreliability of the vote tallies. We have been told that this was the most secure election process in history. I think that you'd need damn good evidence to prove that they were not.
 

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Vague allegations with no evidence.
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Evidence of vulnerability, and I accept your statement as to what the evidence was as i have not read it, is not evidence that anything in fact occurred as a result of the vulnerability. It is simply asking the court to draw a conclusion which is hypothetical.. I cannot comment on the laws of Arizona but that kind of evidence first is unlikely to be admissible in Ontario and even if it was admissible would not be evidence upon which a judge could conclude that there was in fact and interference in the election.

As most lawyers will tell you it is not very difficult to find someone whop purports to be an expert to give any opinion on any topic.
 

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So you don't say what you mean and you don't mean what you say... o_O

That gives you a lot of credibility! :rolleyes:

Perry
Hey, I just play a lawyer on TV, not like you fancy peoples.

But my point is pretty straightforward; a lawyer defending a client in court can do so without getting flack, even if there is no evidence while a lawyer that takes a clients money to launch a lawsuit they know they can't win is one reason why people have a low opinion of lawyers in general.
 

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No sense hearing the arguments being made to legislators to de-certify then, right?
The people who were supposed to hear them listened and concluded that as with most of the trump legal team's claims, there's nothing to them.
 

Perry Mason

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Hey, I just play a lawyer on TV, not like you fancy peoples.

But my point is pretty straightforward; a lawyer defending a client in court can do so without getting flack, even if there is no evidence while a lawyer that takes a clients money to launch a lawsuit they know they can't win is one reason why people have a low opinion of lawyers in general.
Well, I am a lawyer and I play a lawyer on TV and I play a lawyer here... 😛

You are so totally wrong about what defense counsel can/cannot do that it does not deserve a response! Just research the files of the Law Society Discipline Committee... or the record of reprimands from judges to counsel appearing before them...

You will have to do your own research... I am not doing it for you!

And you would probably also be shocked by the number of clients that insist on proceeding with a claim that their lawyer tells them they are highly unlikely to win...

Perry
 
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